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Posted by
Rory
on Dec 4, 2011, 6:10:37 PM

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All feedback after this point is for 0.9.6.

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Posted by
Rory
on Feb 7, 2012, 7:08:48 PM

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I'm always in favour of being able to punch things in more interesting ways. Unfortunately, until we have the animations and so on to support using it with all weapon types, or the restriction system changes, it's impossible to enable unarmed use.

Posted by
Mark_GGG
on Feb 13, 2012, 8:03:06 PM

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Iusia wrote:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

I'm always in favour of being able to punch things in more interesting ways. Unfortunately, until we have the animations and so on to support using it with all weapon types, or the restriction system changes, it's impossible to enable unarmed use.

Damn. Is there no possible way around that or is it too hard to change on short notice?

If a skill specifies any weapon restrictions, it does so by listing all the weapons it works with. "unarmed" isn't a weapon, and can't be made one without making "unarmed" also a type of item, which has it's own consequences.
I hope we;ll be able to work around this in future, but for now we have no way of letting skills be used unarmed unless they can be used with absolutely any weapon - and shield charge currently can't work with wands.

Posted by
Mark_GGG
on Feb 14, 2012, 4:48:09 PM

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I've updated the skill description.

In the meantime, your no-weapons build can take advantage of the fact that quiver bonuses aren't yet restricted to bows, so you can get those on your unarmed attacks :P

Posted by
Mark_GGG
on Feb 15, 2012, 6:03:05 PM

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Posted by
Rory
on Mar 18, 2012, 7:08:33 PM

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Torin wrote:

I been using this skill a lot. It would seem I never miss with it. I also don't remember charging Rhoas missing me although I got both block and evasion.

Shield charge's damage can't miss - this is mentioned on the skill.
It can be blocked.

Posted by
Mark_GGG
on Jul 10, 2012, 9:21:01 PM

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Velkor wrote:

I had a build planned around using Shield charge with a wand.

Apparently, it won't work because the skill only works with melee weapons...

Would it really create unbalances to let wand users have fun with shield charge ?

The skill does a melee hit at the end. Adding wands would require a new set of animations for each character for this, and result in doing a melee hit with a non-melee weapon, which could cause issues which which modifiers to apply. It's not a matter of unbalance, it's a matter of requiring lots of work to allow wands to work with it, which cannot be prioritised at this stage even if we decide we want that.

Posted by
Mark_GGG
on Oct 24, 2012, 8:42:01 PM

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Rowsol wrote:

You want to recreate the problem at the office? Try using it on the totem at the ledge. Since he doesn't move your hits don't connect. The only reason you can hit any guy is because it moves away from you before it attacks.

I just killed every monster in the ledge with close-range shield charges, and not once did it fail to hit. Are you sure you're actually selecting/highlighting the monsters when you click, not the ground near them?

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Rowsol wrote:

You could add a knockback to the skill (which would make sense considering you're charging into the guy)

Shield charge already does knockback if you charge more than a short distance. This is mentioned in the skill description, but could perhaps do with being described more clearly.

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Mark_GGG
on Nov 25, 2012, 5:57:29 PM

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Duodecimus wrote:

If I'm right, PoE masks some of the disconnect in monster location displayed/actual by treating projectiles as areas rather than as on-hit objects.
Suppose my archer fires an arrow directly to the side, let's define this as 90 degrees.
In order to deal with the thing that you're shooting at not being exactly where you shot at, the engine gives the projectile an area, say it checks between 87~93.
If you understand geometry, you'll see that this gives a wider area at long range than at short.
At short range however, the possible change in mob location is much more noticeable and thus much easier to miss. Thus, attacking at short range can cause attacks to randomly miss.
If we assume that shield charge, which is a mobile attack, works the same way...

For the record, this isn't true at all, for projectiles or shield charge.

Posted by
Mark_GGG
on Nov 28, 2012, 6:19:17 PM

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Unavailable Post your 0.9.4 feedback for this skill here. Make sure you concisely state your character build, level, and other complimenting abilities you have when you talk about a skill - The more we know about your character, the better we can understand your feedback. Balance & Design Last bumped on Aug 6, 2024, 11:00:57 AM Some items in this post are currently unavailable.	Posted by Rory on Dec 4, 2011, 6:10:37 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
All feedback after this point is for 0.9.6. Balance & Design	Posted by Rory on Feb 7, 2012, 7:08:48 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
I'm always in favour of being able to punch things in more interesting ways. Unfortunately, until we have the animations and so on to support using it with all weapon types, or the restriction system changes, it's impossible to enable unarmed use.	Posted by Mark_GGG on Feb 13, 2012, 8:03:06 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
" Iusia wrote: " Mark_GGG wrote: I'm always in favour of being able to punch things in more interesting ways. Unfortunately, until we have the animations and so on to support using it with all weapon types, or the restriction system changes, it's impossible to enable unarmed use. Damn. Is there no possible way around that or is it too hard to change on short notice? If a skill specifies any weapon restrictions, it does so by listing all the weapons it works with. "unarmed" isn't a weapon, and can't be made one without making "unarmed" also a type of item, which has it's own consequences. I hope we;ll be able to work around this in future, but for now we have no way of letting skills be used unarmed unless they can be used with absolutely any weapon - and shield charge currently can't work with wands.	Posted by Mark_GGG on Feb 14, 2012, 4:48:09 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
I've updated the skill description. In the meantime, your no-weapons build can take advantage of the fact that quiver bonuses aren't yet restricted to bows, so you can get those on your unarmed attacks :P	Posted by Mark_GGG on Feb 15, 2012, 6:03:05 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
Feedback after this point is for 0.9.7 Balance & Design	Posted by Rory on Mar 18, 2012, 7:08:33 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
" Torin wrote: I been using this skill a lot. It would seem I never miss with it. I also don't remember charging Rhoas missing me although I got both block and evasion. Shield charge's damage can't miss - this is mentioned on the skill. It can be blocked.	Posted by Mark_GGG on Jul 10, 2012, 9:21:01 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
" Velkor wrote: I had a build planned around using Shield charge with a wand. Apparently, it won't work because the skill only works with melee weapons... Would it really create unbalances to let wand users have fun with shield charge ? The skill does a melee hit at the end. Adding wands would require a new set of animations for each character for this, and result in doing a melee hit with a non-melee weapon, which could cause issues which which modifiers to apply. It's not a matter of unbalance, it's a matter of requiring lots of work to allow wands to work with it, which cannot be prioritised at this stage even if we decide we want that.	Posted by Mark_GGG on Oct 24, 2012, 8:42:01 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
" Rowsol wrote: You want to recreate the problem at the office? Try using it on the totem at the ledge. Since he doesn't move your hits don't connect. The only reason you can hit any guy is because it moves away from you before it attacks. I just killed every monster in the ledge with close-range shield charges, and not once did it fail to hit. Are you sure you're actually selecting/highlighting the monsters when you click, not the ground near them? " Rowsol wrote: You could add a knockback to the skill (which would make sense considering you're charging into the guy) Shield charge already does knockback if you charge more than a short distance. This is mentioned in the skill description, but could perhaps do with being described more clearly.	Posted by Mark_GGG on Nov 25, 2012, 5:57:29 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post
" Duodecimus wrote: If I'm right, PoE masks some of the disconnect in monster location displayed/actual by treating projectiles as areas rather than as on-hit objects. Suppose my archer fires an arrow directly to the side, let's define this as 90 degrees. In order to deal with the thing that you're shooting at not being exactly where you shot at, the engine gives the projectile an area, say it checks between 87~93. If you understand geometry, you'll see that this gives a wider area at long range than at short. At short range however, the possible change in mob location is much more noticeable and thus much easier to miss. Thus, attacking at short range can cause attacks to randomly miss. If we assume that shield charge, which is a mobile attack, works the same way... For the record, this isn't true at all, for projectiles or shield charge.	Posted by Mark_GGG on Nov 28, 2012, 6:19:17 PM Grinding Gear Games Quote this Post

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