Tax season again, so retarded

In the US it's tax season. A time for the poor to get free money by claiming their kids who they hate, a time for normal people to get aggravated by having to do work for no pay (basically forced to do accounting for no compensation), and pay for stuff they are against (like foreign adventures), or that they don't care about (like what they used to call pork).

Why don't they just withhold as you go? This would not help me but it would people who work for someone else.

The idiocy is there are actually people that like to over pay so they can get "free" money once a year (they must be finance experts). They are really providing the gov't with a no int loan and bringing home less money than they should. ON PURPOSE.

Fuck that.


Edited to add: I'm sure the career unemployed will be on here complaining about how I'm complaining.

Say thanks to the lobbyists for that.

https://www.propublica.org/article/filing-taxes-could-be-free-simple-hr-block-intuit-lobbying-against-it

I can't make out if we are winning or losing (Belgium)

lol.

Peace,

-Boem-

I don't partake in society which is probably why i can't evaluate it accurately.

I think i'm one of those career unemployed figures the OP is describing, just not sure if that imply's leeching of the public system or not.

Because i worked like three months in my entire life, but i've never taken benefits from the state either.

I think my dad mentioned one person working for every two on social help and him obviously being not at all happy with the employers tax in relation to other country's.(low investment potential)

It's probably quite complex, but it's fascinating how a country the size of a peanut has that much goverment/tax though.

Peace,

-Boem-

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鬼殺し wrote:
Do we even have 'career unemployed' around here? From what I can tell most of you have jobs

You really are out of touch if you think people who are employed can literally sit on a forum all day posting about some dopey Prez, doing research and posting about it ceaselessly, and still keep their jobs. Not sure there are that many employers that would like to subsidize that bs. I would not.

In my former life I dealt with some REALLY rich people. And I do mean real WEALTH. I'm talking so rich they could BUY us.

Guess what they did all day?

Worked.

Yep. That is what they do. I promise you.

Look up Abby Johnson (Fidelity). Richest person I ever met. She works.

Hard.

Just because somebody does not have to work does not mean they are all lazy bastards.

Now excuse me I'm going to go do my taxes so I can subsidize stupid foreign wars, assholes that want their sons to make a buck without working for it, and a plethora of other stupid shit.


Edited to add: not sure about that chart. I live in US and pay more than that. A LOT more.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Thank fuck for America's confusing tax system!

I'm pretty sure Germany has the USA beat in that regard... one third of all worldwide tax regulations are from Germany. There's so much nonsense in there... so much stuff that is pretty much NEVER relevant.

Then again, having tax taken from your earnings every month seems far more reasonable to me than what they are doing over there. A lot things/systems americans do/use are just... difficult to understand for me. There's too many of those to list all of em here.

Why so early, don't you have June30 eofy in the USA?

Ah, posting on forums while at work. I don't, unless I'm at home working and flipping between, which isn't very often. I like the boundary of not posting on the forums at work.

I do browse on my phone on breaks; it's the posting is a thing.

Still, in a general office kind of environment, if it means people are enjoying their work and feel some sense of autonomy and flexibility then isn't that good overall for a business allowing them some discretionary internet usage in work hours?

Productivity is best when people are engaged at work.

Certainly a complex issue, as many people are slack fucks who I'd have a hardass IT Dept onto their social media BS at work, because without some external management they would be on it all day.

Ideally, you'd make the job interesting, but the fact is, a lot of jobs are plain crappy. People at work (in teams especially) are really hard to manage, particularly when it's extremely hard to fire them! Which I'm not saying it should be easy either.

Which is getting away from tax, but maybe not completely. People take the resentful feeling of being taxed a big chunk of hard-earned and then make simplistic statements about how their money is spent, when it's all part of a complex picture. So many people are employed in areas that massive amounts of tax goes to. Those complaining often use these services themselves, know and care about people who do, or may need these services someday. Beyond me, the complexity of it all, so bear with some possibly economically dumb statements there.

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kolyaboo wrote:

Now excuse me I'm going to go do my taxes so I can subsidize stupid foreign wars, assholes that want their sons to make a buck without working for it, and a plethora of other stupid shit.

Quite.

Definitely feel ambivalent about paying tax. I am socialist at heart, and also resent that chunk of my hard-earned going each fortnight. The former by far wins out, every time. I would be a lot more fine with it if we had decent politicians who had a long-term public view, and were concerned about a healthy society more than their careers and scoring points with looming elections in view all the time. Let alone wasting so much on dumb campaigns, information distribution, and idiot projects.

Which brings me to submarines. Not exactly an idiot project, just amusing in a dark, absurd way.

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The defence minister, David Johnston, opened the conference and stated clearly the difficulty Australia faces in considering its future submarine options. What we want, the minister admitted, is a conventional submarine (one powered by diesel-electric motors), with the power, speed and range of a nuclear submarine. Such a boat doesn’t exist. Nor, as the then chief of navy, Vice Admiral Ray Griggs, pointed out in his speech, has Australia even begun to acquire the infrastructure or invest in the training needed to support nuclear-powered submarines.

As a senior defence consultant told me, Australia has the only navy in the world that flogs its diesel submarines thousands of kilometres across the ocean – and then goes on patrol. Designers of conventional subs, such as the Swedes and Germans, have experience with shorter ranges: designing a sub for the Baltic Sea is like designing a sub to do laps around the Gulf of Carpentaria.

This I find funny, and get that to others it may be more Australian humour like those Bunnings Sausages. If so, skip to the Piss Tax.

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It's ongoing this plan to spend billions of tax dollars. I can't help but think it'd be cool to buy submarines though, and I think war as we know it sucks. Maybe I'd use one to do my state visiting in, if I was PM.

Four admirals write to the PM urging new approach to the future submarine. Hot topic.

I was curious about ancient tax, as the "Death and Taxes" saying came to mind.

Did I google "Pissed + Tax"? Maybe.

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While the notion of pay-toilets may seem rather off-putting and a little unfair – after all, why should someone be charged money to conduct a necessary bodily function? – it seems that the ancient Romans were all too familiar with this concept…

In the first century AD, the Roman emperor Nero levied what was known as the vectigal urinae, or simply put, “urine tax”. The tax was placed on the collection of urine, since the lower classes of society had to urinate into small pots that were then emptied into cesspools. Liquid could then be collected from these cesspools, as well as from the public toilets of the upper classes, and recycled for a number of chemical processes: animal skins could be soaked in urine to remove the hair fibers before tanning, and Roman launderers could use urine as a source of ammonia to bleach and clean wool garments.

Although the tax was eventually removed, it was reenacted around 70 AD with the succession of emperor Vespasian. Known for his love of money and ruthless taxation – which, to his credit, eventually brought the Roman empire out of debt and left a surplus in the treasury for the next emperor – Vespasian re-applied the tax to urine collection, and extended it to the use of public toilets.

The Roman historians Dio Cassius and Suetonius wrote about Vespasian’s unpopular tax in their own history books, reporting that when Vespasian’s son Titus expressed his disgust over such a tax, the emperor simply showed his son several gold coins and asked: “See, my son, if these have any smell.” When Titus agreed that they had no odor, Vespasian replied: “…and yet, they come from urine!”

As undignified as Titus may have believed his father’s urine tax to be, in the long run Vespasian’s taxes actually benefited the Roman empire – perhaps the most evident example of this is in his most famous monument: the Roman Colosseum.

Steel Slats?

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Pecunia non olet meaning, “money does not stink" was a famous phrase coined as a result of this tax levied by the emperors Nero and Vespasian in the 1st century AD.

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erdelyii wrote:

Why so early, don't you have June30 eofy in the USA?

No, ours is Apr 15. But you reminded me of an incident that occurred a few years ago.

I did not receive my form that you have to provide the IRS from your employer. The deadline for mail is Jan 31. By end of Feb no form. So I called the IRS to see if they could give me the figures so I could do my taxes and explain to them why I was not providing them the form. They told me they couldn't because they don't get them from the employer until ...

your date, Jun 30. Go figure that one out. Wouldn't it make more sense to move the date forward? They are real idiots though.

There is more to the story but I got my taxes done.

I think a lot of people are ambivalent about paying taxes. Not just out of greed (which is obviously part of it) but, as I complained, being very uncomfortable about the stinking gov't is doing with the money.

You have to pay it. Basically in 1913 the commies decided how to spend your hard earned money under threat of law. It slavery by another name. Most people work 1/3 to 1/2 year for free.

Sad state IMo any why i always vote repulican no matter what since they advocate low tax

Even though i dont agree with them either for most part - at least they (try and) let you keep what's yours

aim_deep still doesn't realize that he get quite a bit out of his taxes. Mainly in form of roads, protection, fire coverage, environment protection/cleaning, public transit and so so many more!