Can anyone clarify how giveaways work for streams?

As far as I've been able to read, giveaways in POE streams is considered RMT.

What i'd like to talk about and maybe have clarified.... how come if this is the rule, then sometimes you see large streamers supported by GGG with points/codes/MTX and literally giving them away to viewers? This seems hella' double standards ? o.O

Also every official POE twitch stream is advertised with giveaways aka twitch drops?

Just trying to understand the rules and how they apply.
Is it just another priority queue debacle where it's only RMT if you're a small andy/nobody, but if you're GGG approved then there's a different rule? :)

Maybe I just misread things, I'm willing and kinda hoping to be wrong.

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Kali_GGG wrote:

Hi there!

We would be happy to look into and answer any questions about streamer related events and giveaways you may have. Could you please contact us directly about what you had planned? We can then look into it further with you. :)

I don't understand why this can't be answered here, so anyone else with same question can find the answer too. (I had to dig around in reddit threads.... to get the vague understanding that giveaways is considered RMT, but yet there are still big streamers doing it.. right?)

There must be a rule written down somewhere? I searched the TOS for giveaways phrasing, but couldn't find anything. If some players are able to do GGG supported giveaways for MTX/redeem codes, then surely giveaways is NOT rmt?

I assume doing a giveaway includes following some common sense rules.
I mean, even twitch has rules like, don't ask for subs, don't try to sell vip/mod/whatever status for donations/subs etc etc.

Mostly it's all common sense stuff.

So if a giveaway is RMT, then is there someplace you can show me where it explains how you judge what makes a giveaway RMT and what makes it a legit giveaway like when a big streamer does it? Is it purely GGG's choice who gets to do it? ... It's not based on equal rules apply equally to all?

I appreciate the offer to PM you Kali and the swift response, but PM's would defeat the point that information regarding rules should be available to everyone and not something I have to search through old reddit threads :)

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Nichelle_GGG wrote:

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oestergreen wrote:

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Kali_GGG wrote:

Hi there!

We would be happy to look into and answer any questions about streamer related events and giveaways you may have. Could you please contact us directly about what you had planned? We can then look into it further with you. :)

I don't understand why this can't be answered here, so anyone else with same question can find the answer too. (I had to dig around in reddit threads.... to get the vague understanding that giveaways is considered RMT, but yet there are still big streamers doing it.. right?)

There must be a rule written down somewhere? I searched the TOS for giveaways phrasing, but couldn't find anything. If some players are able to do GGG supported giveaways for MTX/redeem codes, then surely giveaways is NOT rmt?

I assume doing a giveaway includes following some common sense rules.
I mean, even twitch has rules like, don't ask for subs, don't try to sell vip/mod/whatever status for donations/subs etc etc.

Mostly it's all common sense stuff.

So if a giveaway is RMT, then is there someplace you can show me where it explains how you judge what makes a giveaway RMT and what makes it a legit giveaway like when a big streamer does it? Is it purely GGG's choice who gets to do it and not based on any equal rules apply to all?

I appreciate the offer to PM you, but that would defeat the point that this kind of information should be available to anyone and the rules concerning RMT should also apply equally to everyone. Again, this is IMHO.

We are happy for our playerbase to hold giveaways however, we request that they contact Support first so the giveaway can be reviewed to see if it does or does not breach our rules. If you wish to discuss this further please email Support as requested.

I don't mean to sound rude, but;

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we request that they contact Support first so the giveaway can be reviewed to see if it does or does not breach our rules.

You refer the rule(s) that may be breached by doing a giveaway, but you don't outline what they are. (which is why I spent an hour diggin' old threads to try and find heads to tail in the "is giveaways RMT and why can some streamers do giveaways?)

Kinda annoying having shadow-rules that are so hard to find and can't be written in plain text where they'd afford equal opportunity to everyone, providing they read & follow those same rules for it.


Example:
Let's say I'm a small streamer that wanted to giveaway stuff on X date, yet I don't know whether my stuff or my giveaway method is in breach of your rules... I'm supposed to first plan, then show you, THEN get (maybe) approved?

Isn't that totally reverse logic, as opposed to having a place I can specifically read your rules regarding giveaways and simply follow the rules and making sure my giveaway adheres to those rules you refer to? ... for that, i'd have to know what those rules are, right?

TLDR;
If I suck at reading your TOS, that's my fault and you should just slam me with the parts that refer to giveaways that I wasn't able to find.
I'm frustrated with the "we'll handle it via support/email, contact us".

If you have rules on the matter (and you must, since you are saying you'll check if I'm in breach of them)...then why can't they be in plain view and public and not handled in PMs. That's what leads to people thinking that there's all this privilege.

I'm actually stating this with good intentions, because I love POE and GGG as a company for delivering insane amounts of content and being good at creating goodwill among their players. This is the first game I created content for and spent literally thousands of hours also creating guides to help people fall in love with the game the way I did.
But GGG as of late has stumbled a couple of times and has in that process disillusioned some players with how some things are handled and I honestly just want/wish that things would always be straight as an arrow.

I had no intention of discussing this, until it fell in my lap because I wanted to give away stuff on my stream and a fellow player warned me, it would be considered RMT and linked me some reddit threads with people saying they got warned for it and I was kinda shocked to read it when considering I know giveaways are not uncommon in some poe streams.

Take this one opinion from one player for what you will, there is no ill intention in it.

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oestergreen wrote:

As far as I've been able to read, giveaways in POE streams is considered RMT.

What i'd like to talk about and maybe have clarified.... how come if this is the rule, then sometimes you see large streamers supported by GGG with points/codes/MTX and literally giving them away to viewers? This seems hella' double standards ? o.O

Also every official POE twitch stream is advertised with giveaways aka twitch drops?

Just trying to understand the rules and how they apply.
Is it just another priority queue debacle where it's only RMT if you're a small andy/nobody, but if you're GGG approved then there's a different rule? :)

Maybe I just misread things, I'm willing and kinda hoping to be wrong.

A streamer giveaway is normaly allowed IF the streamer doesn't profit from it.
So he is not allowed to "demand" follows or subscribtions to his channel for it.

However as you can see, GGG wants to review your "giveaway" setup to AVOID the problems there have been before with "streamer giveaways".

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HanSoloDK wrote:

A streamer giveaway is normaly allowed IF the streamer doesn't profit from it.
So he is not allowed to "demand" follows or subscribtions to his channel for it.

However as you can see, GGG wants to review your "giveaway" setup to AVOID the problems there have been before with "streamer giveaways".

That's what I was inferring upper as common sense yeah.
I can imagine people doing disgusting things with giveaways if there were no rules for it. I'm ALL for there being rules, but they should be public and thereby equal to everyone.

I mean, does a big streamer profit from giving away free mtx redeem codes?
Regardless his intentions, his viewers grow exponentially (likely) during a give-away stream, right? So that doesn't count as profit I assume.

Surely they should write up the rules that they're referring to (the one's they'll judge your giveaway by, once you email..to get approval for a give-away that you can't setup because there's no rules written, just word of mouth that it's considered RMT, unless... your giveaway is GGG approved to live up to an invisible standard only the approver knows apparently..)

Rules should surely be public, is that even debatable?
Anyone who wishes to do X or Y should be able to do so, provided he/she read and follows the rules, just like any other rules in the game.

Having shadow rules for certain things that you can't read anywhere and need to have special approval for?... it tends to lead to what people call privilege, where some can get away with stuff that others cannot (hey twitch TUB meta anyone?), as no-one can hold the "approver" accountable to a set of rules that only the provider of approval knows and won't explain or is extremely vague about.... it's kinda weird if other people can't see the issue I'm fighting here imho, regardless if this is a minor thing. :)

Hello everyone,

are there any written rules regarding what is allowed to do on stream? I haven't been able to find them yet.

1. I would like to let viewers vote for the next map.
2. And I was considering doing "nonsense" giveaways like 1 chaos or something like that. Ofc eryone watching the stream could participate - not just followers. I comprehend that otherwise it could be considered as "buying followers".
But I haven't been able to find that much information on this and I don't want to risk it.

I still believe the latter could be problematic since "nonsense" depends on perspective and even small giveaways could theoretically motivate people to follow? even though it is not demanded or required for participating.

And as far as I read, random giveaways are ok.
like setup a trade for everyone?

Thanks in advance for any clarification on this.
Have a great week!