POE Reddit shutdown wipes decade+ of pointed discussion
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New player, I google things about the game often and 90% of the time get a link to an old reddit discussion that is a similar question, tons of discussion around what I'm trying to learn
reddit blackout straight up wipes over a decade of varied discussion about the game and its mechanics... To stand up for 3rd party apps ? Unrelated to the game in any form ? Last bumped on Jun 25, 2023, 4:35:08 AM
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" You're being a little overdramatic. Temporarily removing access isn't the same as wiping it all out. I think the community can absorb a temporary shuttering of the sub. If you have any questions in the meantime, there are resources here on the forum that can help. All you need to do is ask. If you're really new though, I would suggest just playing the game for a bit and accepting you're going to screw it up. My first character was/is a train wreck. I've decided to keep it as a memorial to how bad I was at the start. My second character made it level 95 and at the time that meant something. That character also had Chaos Innoculation and Mind Over Matter allocated. That may not mean much now, but it's a ridiculous thing to do. Anyway, you'll figure it out with time if you care to. Last edited by Nubatron on Jun 15, 2023, 9:51:33 AM
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The sub shutdown is not temporary. It is made clear they will keep the sub private until reddit reverses their API changes, and reddit is not keen on doing this. The only solution is for Reddit to go in and start replacing all these corrupt mods. This is what I support.
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" There's absolutely no way the sub won't reopen when Exilecon happens. | |
" I highly doubt they hold that stance for a long time. Reddit won't shift, sub mods will give in, and hopefully the lack of mod tools isn't too bad after the API update. Even if they don't, Reddit is open to anyone to create a new sub. You're more than welcome to go create a new unofficial POE sub and mod it yourself in a less "corrupt" way I suppose. | |
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That is kind of the point, Reddit is getting greedy and trying to cash in on selling its trove of data to AI apps, while just shoving the ones who provided the data in the 1st place to the ground. I support taking the data down as long as needed. I can suffer as long as it takes to get a fair product, Reddit needs to rethink this one. There is a literal graveyard of social apps that got too greedy we may get to add reddit to the list.
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" Welcome to reality. Looks like you are starting to realize POE sub mods are in it for themselves and don't care at all about the game or the community. They only care about themselves. Their profits. Their agenda. This is why I think if they had any hint of love for this game or this community they should handover the sub to GGG.. but they won't. |
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" The subreddit moderators are volunteers, so they do not have any "profits" and they were all regular members of the community before applying for their moderator roles. The subreddit was created originally by Chris but he gave control of it over to the community rather than having it be run by GGG staff. It isn't that the moderators are refusing to "handover" the sub. | |
" Only solution is for Reddit to set reasonable API prices, not overpricing it by factor of 10-20x. Reddit also provided pricing information only 30 days ahead. Normal business practice is to provide such sweeping price changes at least 12 months ahead, so every app can reflect that in their business plans and subscriptions, code necessary changes to apps and have those changes reviewed by apps stores. 30 days is not enough for any of it, which is forcing these apps to shutdown. Mods are not corrupt, they moderate content free of charge. Moderators provide over $100M worth of moderation work per year free of charge to Reddit. And now Reddit is forcing shutdown of tools they use to moderate content. Besides moderators are owners of those subreddits, so they can and should protest against such predatory business practices. I support Reddit blackout, because it is fully justified. Last edited by Azeltas on Jun 15, 2023, 10:37:48 AM
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" The pricing model was clearly made to price them out of the market, and targeted at AI training. AI is a huge growth market and is throwing tons of money at data like Reddit can provide. This outcome was not an accident or unintended consequence. The unintended consequence might be unmoderated subs if we are to believe the tools used are critical to being a moderator. |
