Oath of winter and heat shiver proc

Outh of winter, Warden ascendency skill has mysterious description that instead of freez enemy who has 0.3 freez threshold, will proc Hoarfrost.

Is is debuff for this ascendency skill? I use frostblades and heatshiver which proc 30% extra fire DMG if enemy is frozen. Ruthless as support gives opportunity to overcome high freez thresholds for bosses famous 0.3 sec. But is this mean that I will never proc heatshiver bonus DMG because Outh of Winter has this blocker? Looks like huge debuff inside this ascendency.

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vayha wrote:

But is this mean that I will never proc heatshiver bonus DMG because Outh of Winter has this blocker? Looks like huge debuff inside this ascendency.

Hoarfrost does not block anything. Without the ascendency, freezes below 0.3 seconds will simply be discarded. With the ascendency, freezes below 0.3 seconds apply a stack of Hoarfrost instead.

Hoarfrost increases freeze duration on the target, making it easier to hit that 0.3 second minimum freeze duration.

Could you not quote Wikipedia but read skill description in the game... About 0.3 threshold? What is written there about bosses which have high freez threshold max 0.3 sec.

Freez that would stay 0.3 sec or lower time will not be inflicted.

Means that heatshiver will not proc?

Trying out this ascendancy currently, also with frostblades. Seems pretty good. Only using it in the campaign, so may be less effective for the content you are interact with since your fully levelled and geared.

It's not a debuff, it's a counter that helps you get freezes on sequential hits if you fail to freeze on those hits. Chill effect is capped at 30%, so I think you will be getting the same damage from your helmet during the freeze as you would if you had enemy at max chill effect, plus it will be frozen, which is a bonus. You likely have other effects that are buffed off the freezing as well, like cold mastery that increases damage taken based off total freeze duration.

Also I think enemies can remain chilled when frozen. So it may be possible for you to get both mods bonus at the same time during the freeze.

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But is this mean that I will never proc heatshiver bonus DMG because Outh of Winter has this blocker?

Not sure what you mean by this, what blocker?

Freez that would stay less than 0.3 won't be inflicted.

30% extra fire DMG proc only with freez alignment. Not any other.

I would like to have official ggg statement because it looks like debuff preventing perma freez of some hi lvl bosses.

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Freez that would stay less than 0.3 won't be inflicted.

That's an innate property of freeze. The ascendancy isn't blocking freezes, it's only counting when a freeze doesn't occur, and ramping up the likely hood of getting more freezes on subsequent hits.

Read through the freeze wiki, it explains this mechanic.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Freeze

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Freezes with a duration smaller than 0.3 seconds are discarded, effectively requiring a hit of 5% of ailment threshold. As an example, a mob with approximately 2 000 000 life requires a single hit of at least 100 000 cold damage to cause the minimal freeze duration of 0.3 seconds.

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vayha wrote:

Could you not quote Wikipedia but read skill description in the game... About 0.3 threshold? What is written there about bosses which have high freez threshold max 0.3 sec.

Freez that would stay 0.3 sec or lower time will not be inflicted.

Means that heatshiver will not proc?

What bosses have a maximum freeze duration of 0.3 seconds?

I know that high-end bosses have "Cannot be fully slowed", meaning that they can be frozen but won't have 0% action speed. In those cases Heatshiver will proc as longer as they are frozen, even though they'll still be moving and attacking.



Regarding reading the skill description: "Hits that fail to Freeze due to insufficient Freeze Duration inflict Hoarfrost" is what Oath of Winter does.
Below that, the game includes explanatory text: "(Freezes that would have a duration of 0.3 seconds or below are not inflicted)"

The explanatory text describes the game's behavior. It is explaining what "Hits that fail to Freeze due to insufficient Freeze Duration" are. This is not a behavior added by Oath of Winter. Even if you do not have Oath of Winter, freezes with a duration of 0.3 seconds or below will not be inflicted.

Thank you for explanation.

Build is absolutely sky rocketing. I love this. Im clearing now eng game content smoothly. I love Frostblades so much that I did even some little guide (with pob). It was my tribute to frostblades and ggg and Poe 1 - as last dance.. more than some you know - pro advice.

Im freezing most of bosses and melt them. 60 mil dps feels good, almost 6 mil on 1 hit.

It gives tremendous fun.

link to my guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3578768

Looks like a good build.

Thank you!
I've just did Feared !!! Cortex, Chayula, Uber Atziri, Shaper and Elder.
First attempt in my life. Melted all bosses in less than minute. Died once. This is crazy.