scammer - I can't take it anymore
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On the trading site there are several items for sale at lower prices, often posted by the same player.
You get in touch and don't hear back. I imagine this practice is to induce other players to sell their items for lower prices. GGG could better investigate and prevent this type of situation. I consider the exchange site to be very important, a differentiator of the game Last bumped on Mar 3, 2025, 1:46:30 PM
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That's one of the main reasons why the PoE community pushed GGG for years to implement a "market place" where ppl can list items for others to buy them out without human interaction.
The "price fixing" is harmful in multiple ways. First, you spend way more time to find "real" ppl to buy an item from. Secondly, for inexperienced ppl it's way harder to understand the value of an item and learning to price them themselves. Thirdly, ppl underprice their items way too often and so on. While we have a 2-way scam protection when trading with someone, in reality, it obviously does not protect you to 100% because you, as a buyer, can make a mistake too. Some of these scams are really "hidden" (hard to recognize) and if you game all day long and it's late... mistakes can happen. Then losing resources to a scumbag demotivates many. With an "AH" where you just buy the item you want without someone being able to give you something else - this issue would be gone. BUT kinda good news related to trade. For many years, we pushed GGG to change trade, but they always refused (mainly Chris Wilson, but not only him), BUT in the last year, they admitted that they have to change and go with the new time - all other games don't have such a horrible trading system. Jonathan said that they can't say how long it will take them - has to be implemented extremely well and safe for obvious reasons, but at least as long as we push, we will get it. And don't get fooled when someone says "Nyooo! A marketplace (how I described) would ruin trade yadda yadda!" - these ppl are 1000% scammers and don't want that their easily exploitable system is gone. Everyone, like literally everyone who is not working for GGG and has a 15-year-old "trading vision" wants better trade... believe me... if you are not a SSF andy - you would have spent countless hours losing your mind trying to trade for the simplest things. Last edited by JakkerONAIR#4902 on Mar 3, 2025, 11:10:17 AM
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" Biggest concern of people i have seen is that people/bots just buy out everything of a certain item and sell it for a higher price. But you can mostly do that now. Its just way more work. And its risky to do that. |
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" I mean, no matter how advanced your trade system is - you never ever can prevent ppl from abusing it with scripts/bots. Do it via the trading site and ppl bot these interactions, even trading between the player and the bot - with instant messaging etc. Do it via "market place" instant buyout without human interaction and they do the same. BUT at least you won't get scammed anymore. The "flipping the market" technique is not even a scam, everybody can do it. You only need economical knowledge and understand the PoE market and it's in the end limited by "supply and demand". Refusing to change for way more QoL for 99% of the player base because ppl abuse systems is not the way. It's like it is with laws, we still have laws and institutions to enforce them, while others break these laws, but we don't remove the laws because of criminals. |
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" Just ignore this channel and you will be ok. Scammers are everywhere....when system allow people make profit for free or easy , people always will cheat...that`s the nature of minority. |
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Price fixers and item flippers are the same scammers. You will get huge kickback from people arguing flipping items is "part of a functioning economy". In real life I would tend to agree but there is fine line between an honest salesman and a conman.
In a game like POE it is something I like to call a scam cascade. Price fixers feed the flippers, the flippers inflate the market and the inflated market feeds the real money POE currency trading sites. When everything costs divines and mirrors players leave or are forced to buy POE currency with real money. Diabolical drop rates also feed into this in a big way. In short you cannot fix one problem without addressing the root causes which is the price fixers and flippers. It is lazy and the means to do this needs removing or made very difficult. This will simply make currency trading for real money much more effort making it profitless for these sites. The caveat to this is if you ask to buy something and the seller puts a different item in the trade window and you accept, that is on the buyer. Yes it is scamming but personal responsibility on the side of the buyer is also a thing. There is sucker born every minute, pay attention. |
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It's because GGG allows scamming blatantly, their rationale is "in real life you can get scammed so better pay attention".
It's literally insidious for a company to do nothing about it, but since the game dropped, they don't really care how badly you scam people. To many (shitty) people. scamming is just another legit way to play the game -- or GGG would have done something about it. |
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" So you don't have to hover over the items in the trade window to check it's the right one and then to accept the trade to confirm it? Weird. |
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" Of course you do, but that doesn't mean people don't make mistakes, and that doesn't make it acceptable that GGG shelters and protects scammers. Those people should be banned, not allowed to do w/e they want. IMO, it's just another type of cheating, but GGG is apparently in extreme favor of scammers and cheating, as they've done nothing to stop it for about 13 years now. |
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I think the only way GGG could fix all this stupid friction is by fix pricing thing themself, or not allowing them to go past a certain inflation treshold. Like by limiting the number of currency you can put in trade box or something.
Yea, people who live by the trade would hate that. (But I care that much about them that they care about others) |
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