Hatred nerf for spell users.. Why do you hate us so much? -33% dmg

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Pizzarugi wrote:

Summoner mains, some of whom are also negatively impacted by the nerf:

It seems to me that one of them is deliberately trying to destroy this game, making it worse every time. Dust catches the eye, they allegedly added some improvements, but they either do not talk about the real deterioration, or mention it casually, as if it were an insignificant thing. Bloomers immediately run to buy support packs without reading the patchnotes. Good job (no).

Me, who wont be playing cold convert golems again after this:

Bro, I don't know what you're talking about, but this is supposed to be a patch where they can adjust melee to be more in line with spells/bows. Which is what they did. They also made glacial hammer trauma worse this patch, but who cares.

There are plenty of changes so you can get your hands on something else if you like.

I don't know about minions so rip you guys ig.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

Bro, I don't know what you're talking about, but this is supposed to be a patch where they can adjust melee to be more in line with spells/bows. Which is what they did. They also made glacial hammer trauma worse this patch, but who cares.

There are plenty of changes so you can get your hands on something else if you like.

I don't know about minions so rip you guys ig.

Did you just decide to annoy us? This is not a good place for trolling.
they didn't buff melee, they made it worse in many ways. Besides, even if you think it's different, that's no reason to make things worse.

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TauOrigin wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

Bro, I don't know what you're talking about, but this is supposed to be a patch where they can adjust melee to be more in line with spells/bows. Which is what they did. They also made glacial hammer trauma worse this patch, but who cares.

There are plenty of changes so you can get your hands on something else if you like.

I don't know about minions so rip you guys ig.

Did you just decide to annoy us? This is not a good place for trolling.
they didn't buff melee, they made it worse in many ways. Besides, even if you think it's different, that's no reason to make things worse.

Their alleged intention was that. We don't quite know in practice yet whats going to happen. There are always op crap that people discover. Right before league start every single league everywhere on the internet is full of a bunch of people spreading doom and gloom for some reason. Instead of trying to solve their problems together.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

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TauOrigin wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

Bro, I don't know what you're talking about, but this is supposed to be a patch where they can adjust melee to be more in line with spells/bows. Which is what they did. They also made glacial hammer trauma worse this patch, but who cares.

There are plenty of changes so you can get your hands on something else if you like.

I don't know about minions so rip you guys ig.

Did you just decide to annoy us? This is not a good place for trolling.
they didn't buff melee, they made it worse in many ways. Besides, even if you think it's different, that's no reason to make things worse.

Their alleged intention was that. We don't quite know in practice yet whats going to happen. There are always op crap that people discover. Right before league start every single league everywhere on the internet is full of a bunch of people spreading doom and gloom for some reason. Instead of trying to solve their problems together.

STOPPP! If you can't see not only is this a nerf but this does NOT bring melee on par with spell casters & bow users then you're blind or inexperienced. Let's cut the shit, if GGG wanted to equal out Melee users with bow & Spells; then instead of REMOVING flat dmg on gems they would have retained or even buffed them and not just boost the effectiveness.

ALSO, you seem to miss the fact that they also nerfed some defensive tools used like Determination. Instead of buffing the mechanics, they outright gutted it all across the board and without any logical reason given. Summoners have been getting nerf slapped for past few years now relentlessly so that's nothing new, trappers / miners are meh, so that doesn't leave too many other viable endgame options. Idk if you're trolling like it's suggested but you're damn sure being a white knight right now.

And I'm the toxic one...

We don't have to press totems anymore, its a start.

I'm not on here saying melee is the best archetype in the game either. You have no idea what will be discovered this league or what secrets are in the game yet.

they also gutted phys taken as so both side of the trees lost something. They added new bases and made quality better to compensate for that determination nerf. Unless you were scaling aura effect to get that flat i doubt you even notice the losses to your armour.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

And I'm the toxic one...

We don't have to press totems anymore, its a start.

Yes and in exchange....you need to press banners and retaliation (and more shouts). Kind of a weird way to start....remove one click problem from melee, only to add multiple others.

we got along just fine for years and years with hatred just being a phys as extra mechanic. added fire support was the phys as extra fire one, with anger and added cold being the opposite mechanic for each.


thats how it always was and it was always fine. its whatever, they probably shouldnt have buffed it to start with.


just do something else with your mana.

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jsuslak313 wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

And I'm the toxic one...

We don't have to press totems anymore, its a start.

Yes and in exchange....you need to press banners and retaliation (and more shouts). Kind of a weird way to start....remove one click problem from melee, only to add multiple others.

you don't have to press retaliation on all melee builds, banners cant die, and exerts don't disappear when hit.

Go do shaper with 2 totems. they're useless without the linger mastery