t17 meta is quite boring?

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Toforto wrote:

Yeah T17s are still bad, annoying to run and only the top 0.0001% with their mirror builds get to profit from them. Very fair and fun game design I know. "Just don't run them" isn't a solution.

More like you can net profit out of those maps as soon as you can consistently run those without wasting too much time, and that does not require any mirror tier builds since even ssf andies with the most "boring" gear are able to run those.

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unbalanced and the game was way better before t17s with just the uber boss keystones on the atlas tree.

The only issue for some is that they do ignore map mods and underestimate their how powerful certain map mod combinations can be while they also do overestimate the durability of their character.
If you're still unable to run even the easiest t17 maps you're character is simply build wrong or you don't play good enough. Either way a problem on your side.

I was running T17s on my shit gear league starter in a small private league. Mirror tier lmao.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

I was running T17s on my shit gear league starter in a small private league. Mirror tier lmao.

That doesn't change how bad and annoying these maps are to run and roll though.

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If you're still unable to run even the easiest t17 maps you're character is simply build wrong or you don't play good enough. Either way a problem on your side.

Nah the problem is these maps suck. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many complaints about them still.

I can do them on both my ES and my heavy strike build. And I can stay rarity geared on them as well, dont even have to equip my damage setup for them.

This is 100% a skill/build issue on anyone having trouble with them still.

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Mashgesture wrote:

I can do them on both my ES and my heavy strike build. And I can stay rarity geared on them as well, dont even have to equip my damage setup for them.

This is 100% a skill/build issue on anyone having trouble with them still.

And I can't. Not every bad design in a game is "skill issue". These maps need more nerfs. It's that simple.

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Toforto wrote:

Nah the problem is these maps suck. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many complaints about them still.

Except for the fact that you only see the same few returning faces complaining about things at all times, as they are simply stuck in their mindset and refuse to acknowledge that they need to improve either their character or their gameplay.
Meanwhile the majority did not had any troubles pre double nerf and has even less problems after the nerf.

But like in every game the tiny minority always thinks that the game is doing something wrong as they always refuse to acknowledge their own faults.

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Pashid wrote:

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Toforto wrote:

Nah the problem is these maps suck. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many complaints about them still.

Except for the fact that you only see the same few returning faces complaining about things at all times, as they are simply stuck in their mindset and refuse to acknowledge that they need to improve either their character or their gameplay.
Meanwhile the majority did not had any troubles pre double nerf and has even less problems after the nerf.

But like in every game the tiny minority always thinks that the game is doing something wrong as they always refuse to acknowledge their own faults.

If I can't run these maps without scarab of stability and/or scarab of bisection then the nerfs clearly weren't enough. There's so many flaws in these maps with their design, the map mods, and all the enemies. And ofc the rewards, atlas tree shouldn't even interact with them at all and that would at least fix some of the problems. All valdo mods need to be deleted off these maps, we need to be able to use all currency on them, and the bosses shouldn't be affected by map mods or just should be in a loading zone. These maps were just meant to be content you do to get fragments for bosses, not to do a super giga buffed boss with insane map mods. If I lose all 6 portals on Ziggurat with scarab of stability on, then there's a real problem with these maps still lol

Oooooh so you just want T17s to be balanced around you specifically. That's crazy.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

Oooooh so you just want T17s to be balanced around you specifically. That's crazy.

No, what I want is for them to be simply balanced, normal content and not the mess they are now.