MF Farming: Gravicious or Dominus?

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Natharias wrote:

I have 42% movement speed, 111% with my quicksilver flask. If I run straight to Dominus and avoid all enemies, it take no less than 2 minutes. It then comes down to how much DPS you have and how survivable you are, as there are three uniques you have to kill before two more uniques come out, and then Dominus' two forms.

Most of that 15 minutes was spent dying. Almost all of those deaths due to chaos damage, as physical was dealt with by IC and my resistances are at 82%. The tentacle miscreation was the hardest, if not only challenging, part of the run.

i have 2k life and -42% chaos res , 16 cold res, 70 fire, 70 lightning =/

Don't bother trying until you have better gear, or a runner - culler setup. You won't be able to properly kill anything with that little survivability.

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BackwoodsS wrote:

If dom is a 15 min run you should avoid it. Speed is a big part of mfing. Something to keep in mind, especially late in leagues or perm leagues, is that most of the wealth is from vendors rather than trade. For a quick comparison, you would make more doing 4-5 min dock runs than 15 min dom runs. As far as T1 uniques go, I have played for more than 2 years and made many mf chars and never found a shavs. I do not consider T1 uniques when deciding the best place to farm. Once you have better gear and a faster char, by all means farm where more items/stats can drop. But, don't gimp yourself by farming an inefficient location just because xyz unique can drop there.

played for around as long as backwood with breaks inbetween and can confirm - clearspeed combined with a nice touch of rarity and quantity is where its at - what you farm is up to personal preference current powerlevel to handle things.

i for one can do dom in 2-3min from wp to him - the vendoring and sorting for unid chaos recipe takes usually longer then the part to get to him because im a dreamer and still check every rare if its worth keeping.

you should level and farm lunaris instead with piety combined then transition into dominus or maps.

do not farm minibossess ever - their quantity is way too low to make them worthy of resets.

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PhysoniumI wrote:

Use a brightbeak, GGG prismatic eclipse and leap slam with faster attacks and tell me it's slower :P also, you don't collide with mobs if you hold a certain key (shift by default).

Wasted both of my Prismatic Eclipses trying to get WWG sockets to get a build running, so they don't work anymore. One was downgraded to a rare and the other went RRW, so both were vendored. I don't have the currency to waste on them again.

As for Brightbeak, I don't use that because I'm using Reapers Pursuit for a weapon swap cull. Otherwise I'd be using Brightbeak+Prism. Eclipse or dual Screaming Eagles (yes I know it's not the best but 20% movement speed is better than nothing. This is especially useful when I use a quicksilver as it pushes me to 131% movement speed).

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PhysoniumI wrote:

Don't bother trying until you have better gear, or a runner - culler setup. You won't be able to properly kill anything with that little survivability.

All I need is a Shav's. I was able to facetank everything unless it did chaos damage. Even Dom's fistbump couldn't kill me, mostly due to IC and Lori's Lantern.

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Kechop wrote:

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BackwoodsS wrote:

If dom is a 15 min run you should avoid it. Speed is a big part of mfing. Something to keep in mind, especially late in leagues or perm leagues, is that most of the wealth is from vendors rather than trade. For a quick comparison, you would make more doing 4-5 min dock runs than 15 min dom runs. As far as T1 uniques go, I have played for more than 2 years and made many mf chars and never found a shavs. I do not consider T1 uniques when deciding the best place to farm. Once you have better gear and a faster char, by all means farm where more items/stats can drop. But, don't gimp yourself by farming an inefficient location just because xyz unique can drop there.

played for around as long as backwood with breaks inbetween and can confirm - clearspeed combined with a nice touch of rarity and quantity is where its at - what you farm is up to personal preference current powerlevel to handle things.

i for one can do dom in 2-3min from wp to him - the vendoring and sorting for unid chaos recipe takes usually longer then the part to get to him because im a dreamer and still check every rare if its worth keeping.

you should level and farm lunaris instead with piety combined then transition into dominus or maps.

do not farm minibossess ever - their quantity is way too low to make them worthy of resets.

My experience tells me otherwise.

Gravicius takes 30 seconds on average with 111% movement speed. Sometimes it takes no less than 10 seconds and sometimes up to ~40-50 seconds. This includes all loading time, looting, and loading into town to vendor. If all time is included before clicking the WP to refresh, it takes no more than a minute to get to, kill, loot, vendor, and then move on.

Dominus takes 2-7 minutes, depending. Although Dom gives a much better quantity and rarity drop, it takes better gear and more time to do him. Gravicius is amazing if you are working up to Dom.

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Vaagur wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

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PhysoniumI wrote:

Note, most of your currency gained will be from rates (selling to players or for alts -> jewel -> fuse). Pure currency drops and uniques are negligible. Care most about how many rates you get per run for the time you spent.

No, most of it won't be.

I can get about 1 alt per minute farming Gravicius the way I currently am. If I pick up and identify everything, I can make 2-4 alts per minute.

It takes ~220 to go to exalted directly, or ~16 to chaos and ~33 chaos to exalted. I don't know the other ratios well enough. So if I get 3 alts per run (3 per thirty seconds), I'd get about 6 alts a minute. I'd have to spend about two hours to get a single exalted orb.

A mjolner costs ~90 exalted for two combined, a six-link shav's ~200, astramentis ~12, two andvarius rings ~7 combined, vertex helmet ~4, saffell's frame ~7 for legacy, coming to 320 exalted. If I cut out the mjolner and decide to go CoC instead, I'd need to Bino's for ~25 for two max crit rolls.

So that comes out to about 640 hours. 320 days if I played for two hours each day, which is what I currently play. But I'm not picking everything up, I'm going rarity and thereby drop chance.

You're trying to buy legacy items and really rare uniques while farming one of the easiest bosses in the game, in the softcore permanent league... It explains your issue.

Try trading, farming maps, chancing white items that you find and their unique counterparts are worth alot, etc...

Try trading? YES!
Try farming maps? NO (until you have gg mf gear but I doubt the op has some)
Try chancing white items? NO (chances are negligible)

There are only 2 reliable ways in poe to get some wealth:
1.) farm like a madman
2.) do the trading game

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There are only 2 reliable ways in poe to get some wealth:
1.) farm like a madman
2.) do the trading game

No truer words were spoken.

When i did Dominus runs 95% of the currency i made was from chaos recipe.
After a day of farming i could have a nice collection of chaos orbs.
The other 5% was unique items like alphas howl, millegaros gloves and similar not to uncommon uniques that is quite easy to sell and many need them.
And since i vendored almost all the rares that didnt went into chaos recipe i ended up with nice currency like jewelers, fusings, alcs...

But since you dont get any xp from dominus runs i quit doing this.
Its far better to do high lvl maps or Atziri.
Even one doesnt have much mf at all, some uniques do drop anyway and they tend to be of higher quality also.

Doing lvl 71 strand gave me an andvarius ring and the day after i found another andvarius ring.
At this time they were atleast 2ex.
Things like this happens all the time when doing maps.
Yes sometimes there is far between the good stuff but sometimes they just fall like rain.

My advice is to continue lvl your char instead of grinding dominus.
Your character will get better and better as you lvl up and you will upgrade your gear with items found or traded for.
After a while you can do highest lvl maps or even atziri and this is when you truly starting to make currency.
This is the way to get rich in PoE.

If you desperatly want get rich and get shavs, mjölners and this kind of stuff what you should do is make a new char, a build that is confirmed one of the esiest/cheapest Atziri killers and try lvl fast and start farming Atziri.
I bet you will have your shavs within a month and the rest on your list will come soon after.

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Mateo_swe wrote:

When i did Dominus runs 95% of the currency i made was from chaos recipe.
After a day of farming i could have a nice collection of chaos orbs.
The other 5% was unique items like alphas howl, millegaros gloves and similar not to uncommon uniques that is quite easy to sell and many need them.
And since i vendored almost all the rares that didnt went into chaos recipe i ended up with nice currency like jewelers, fusings, alcs...

But since you dont get any xp from dominus runs i quit doing this.
Its far better to do high lvl maps or Atziri.
Even one doesnt have much mf at all, some uniques do drop anyway and they tend to be of higher quality also.

Doing lvl 71 strand gave me an andvarius ring and the day after i found another andvarius ring.
At this time they were atleast 2ex.
Things like this happens all the time when doing maps.
Yes sometimes there is far between the good stuff but sometimes they just fall like rain.

My advice is to continue lvl your char instead of grinding dominus.
Your character will get better and better as you lvl up and you will upgrade your gear with items found or traded for.
After a while you can do highest lvl maps or even atziri and this is when you truly starting to make currency.
This is the way to get rich in PoE.

If you desperatly want get rich and get shavs, mjölners and this kind of stuff what you should do is make a new char, a build that is confirmed one of the esiest/cheapest Atziri killers and try lvl fast and start farming Atziri.
I bet you will have your shavs within a month and the rest on your list will come soon after.

There's one big problem. That requires currency and items that I don't have, and I don't have characters to remake into someone who can do maps reliably.

The only one that comes close is a life and life regeneration focused Templar that relies on Incinerate and will add in Righteous Fire, but RF takes away all but ~2-3% of his 13.7% life regeneration. He has 202% increased life planned by level 80. Every point beyond that is either going into a strength node or going towards getting more %life.

The problem with even that is there is no mitigation. Armor is just as costly as the gear I want for my other builds, evasion isn't that good, damage avoidance was nerfed six feet into the ground from GGG's lack of care (though we all know it's really something else, I'm just holding back and being nice), and even dual Cybil's Paws won't help much.

The only characters I could do level 72+ without ever dying were from damage avoidance. Everything else requires expensive gear only obtained from grinding things like Dominus. Even one death completely nullifies ALL of your effort. It only becomes more and more painful the higher your level and higher levels demand higher level maps. By level 80 you only get ~30% of normal experience from lower level maps, and only half from mid-level maps. So once you hit 80 it's asinine to do maps for experience. My level 79 barely gets 10% from a single 66 map, which is without increased pack size, magic, or rare monsters.

And I'm not even going to get started on high level maps. The only time you use those is with a shit-ton of quantity on it and that means some powerful mods. No this isn't "death", but it drastically multiplies the risk factor to your experience.

I don't have the currency or items to do those maps reliably. Oh yes, I could do them. If I don't desync, lag, have to deal with something in real life, and control my character perfectly I can absolutely do it without any deaths. But that isn't going to be the case. This game does have serious desync problems, I'm not alone on the internet in this house, and you always have the occasional power-outage. So I'm not about to lose weeks worth of effort in a single moment because I got bored farming Dominus, or even Gravicius.

DON'T FORGET ABOUT DOM'S BLEEDING. WITH 2K LIFE U WILL NEED FLASKS FOR REMOVE BLEEDING BC UR LOW ES AND LIFE WILL BE REKT IF YOU DONT PAY ATTENTION


also gl

Well, I don't know about the reliability of drops from farming Atziri either. I've been doing her every day lately and no one drops anything except that ridiculous amethyst flask and crap like blackheart iron ring for God's sake or that stupid forbidden taste flask! Sometime she drops mortal frags at least.

The dopey vaal twins invariably drop questionable always BIG rares which are a pain to carry around. The 3 freaks the other night dropped a Rumi's which totally gave me a heart attack since they usually drop only shit. I can honestly say the Rumi's was the best drop ever for me in the apex.

A long time ago when Atziri was new I went through a service and I got a Rise of the Phoenix which isn't bad.

Whoever said you are better off farming maps is closer to the truth. Most of my decent items were found in maps, sometimes pretty low level ones at that. Back when my fave character was still a baby he found 3 alpha's in dunes! I found my first tab in dry lake.

So much for farming either Dom or the crazy bitch.