Unique and Divination Card Drop Rate Changes in 2.0.3

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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arherter wrote:

Some ideas that need considerations:

Prices will drop even further. So you wont be able to gather currency that easily. That would actually make HARDER to get acuity, or league specific gear. Thats quite an unpleasant change since to actually farm uber you will need pretty good rares. Even on the card changes (wich will be "more farmable"), no good rare comes easily from cards.

Im betting card changes will modify economy in a way greater deal than those uniques do. Maybe that's the idea for money making: force players to buy cards.

But think it over: rich people will do uber, and craft for amazingly overpriced stuff. To the point that you will have to sell 10 shavs to buy a great ring.
Im not sure it wont actually kill farming even more, for those who trade. Ofc self found got a boost, but thats like 1% of player base?

Hard to say. They could just lower prices for crafting or raise currency drops. Would make more sense.
I see the next generation of farmers as: top iiq card farmers.

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knac84 wrote:

This game is not meant to be played for thousands of hours in a single character.

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knac84 wrote:

This game is not meant to be played for thousands of hours in a single character.

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Aziraphale wrote:

This seems really great, there is just one other thing I would like to see....

Please put a cap on the number of fusings it takes to 6link an item. At almost 3k fuses on my bow now, feelsbadman.

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knac84 wrote:

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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This game is not meant to be played for thousands of hours in a single character.

If what you reefer as gated content was not gated and was chainable you would get bored pretty fast anyway and quit, because you would realize you have done all there is to do in the game and you can't further improve your characters (or very little). One person easy to get content is an other person gated content ofc, and you can see complains that people is not able to get past lvl 74 maps (but that's not what you are talking about here).

I'm not defending the current status quo and GGG economic design, but the reality is that this game simply does not have enough things to do and challenging content to keep the interest of the players if it was accessible.

The problem then is: 1) the progression curve, which is logarithmic and should be more linear; 2) the lack of depth in the end-game (while the map system mechanics itself are pretty original, is just not enough 'things to do'); 3) the gameplay itself, which pose a problem when adding genuine (non-gear checking) difficulty to the game.

So what if you could chain Core Malachai or Uber Atziri? Most people would get bored very fast once their characters can run them, and it actually does not take insane gear to do so, just the right build and knowledge.

However, if you play temporal leagues with no wealth and do some moderate trading (yeah I know, the horror, but is how the game is designed), unless you are doing a FOTM faceroll build, the game progression in difficulty, content and gear seems mostly balanced from my experience in WB. I haven't mapped enough since last changes to know if the curve around lvl 75-77 map drops has actually improved enough (I experienced the problem first hand though). And that's how they probably balance the game, based on the average player actual experience. Now for the other problems, unfortunately they are harder to fix/change, if ever, so don't hold your breadth because there are limitations to what the designers can do with the game they have, but I'm sure GGG will try.

In that context, too, raising the drop chance of those rare uniques seems a good option (despite 'sky is falling crowd')

P.S: BTW I must add that this further de-feudalizes PoE economy, which is good (and why some people is moaning), and it has been the way GGG has rightly taken since many patches ago (started with the addition of boxes, later masters, etc.). So the game is in much better shape than it used to be on release at least.

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knac84 wrote:

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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This game is not meant to be played for thousands of hours in a single character.

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12. What is the level cap?
A level cap of 100 is currently planned, but players will find that they level up more slowly as they gain experience. You'll need to be very high level and be very well-geared to contend with the end game content on the hardest difficulty level. These diminishing returns mean that the game doesn't suddenly end when the player hits some arbitrary point. If a player wanted, they could improve a single character for years on end.

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TheAnuhart wrote:

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brutalrazial wrote:

Even if shavs has a 1% chance of dropping (i think some people are forgetting that 1% applies when a occultist vestment drops not a 1% chance overall), so say 5 vestments drops in a map you have 5 goes at rolling a shavs trying to hit 1 number out of a hundred (1% is very generous imho too). Now you have a 4% chance (when a vestment drops) to roll shavs. Odds are still so horrible.

While your point was x% * 4 = n, when x is extremely low, n is still extremely low, you went into irrelevant detail.

You used a hypothetical % then went on to say that hypothetical % is also less because it also has the drop rate of occultist's vestments to be considered, to make it even less.

First, we don't need a % drop rate to just know it is 4 times more.

Second, only you gave a hypothetical % which wasn't chance to drop per monster, per loot item or per unique, but per occultist's vestment, you then went on to explain that people need to understand this, when they don't.

Third, that isn't how uniques are rolled, any way. The game doesn't roll occultist's vestment then roll whether or not that occultist's vestment is a unique, the game rolls whether or not a drop is a unique, first, then it rolls for which unique (I believe it may roll tier between those rolls, but that is irrelevant).

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toyotatundra wrote:

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knac84 wrote:

This game is not meant to be played for thousands of hours in a single character.

I've always found I get most enjoyment playing the game I want to, instead of how GGG wants me to.

I don't reroll every week, I play same characters for long time, I don't play temp leagues, I don't buy bosskills, I don't buy 8/8 achievements, and I don't pay anyone to run Atziri, Uber for me, or to play the game in any way instead of me.. and I have an absolute blast.

PoE is a great game, I love it, time (and money) I've put into it speaks volumes. But it is not perfect, and it is on us - players - to do our part and try to make the game even better. GGG does hear us.

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Qwixy wrote:

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knac84 wrote:

This game is not meant to be played for thousands of hours in a single character.

I stopped reading after that, wasn't this game made to be hardcore? Even chris wilson himself said that they made the game for themselves as a group of hardcore gamers...

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TheAnuhart wrote:

1. Who said any and all content should be chainable?
2. There are other ways to gate content and progression, like, difficulty alone or difficulty and RNG without adding in wealth (wealth that must be acquired via trading or facerolling low content).
3. You are suggesting I'd get bored and no longer play if I had access to more difficult content? Here's the thing, I have 3 level 100's, 1 96, 3 95... I got bored and no longer play because I can't access appropriate content.

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toyotatundra wrote:

I've always found I get most enjoyment playing the game I want to, instead of how GGG wants me to.

I don't reroll every week, I play same characters for long time, I don't play temp leagues, I don't buy bosskills, I don't buy 8/8 achievements, and I don't pay anyone to run Atziri, Uber for me, or to play the game in any way instead of me.. and I have an absolute blast.

PoE is a great game, I love it, time (and money) I've put into it speaks volumes. But it is not perfect, and it is on us - players - to do our part and try to make the game even better. GGG does hear us.