Balance Changes in Content Update 2.1.0

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

the issue with incinerate was unique in that clear speed was not the issue but rather what you could do with it investment wise.

1 it had no crit , but had the rather insane damage ramp up instead... this freed the player from needing to take crit nodes and by extension needing to really go deep into the int part of the tree for it. That is a huge advantage over every other spell in the game which often need crit to scale and be competitive.

2 it really was stupid powerful on totem builds since you could have zero resource management ( beyond what you implicitly get from leveling) invested and run fully decked out. this freed up another crippling dependency that other spells have (mana issues)

3 because damage scaling on it is simple it means you can focus both your gear AND your tree on other things.

you make incinerate expensive. YOU , not the gem . My incinerate cost me 30 chaos and i was doing end game.

It needed a change it was explicitly the superior option over several skills even in roles it should not be explicitly better in. that alone should have been enough to warrant adjustment.


cyclone has been THE melee skill of the last 2 years. It combined both single target , movement and aoe and did more damage than prominent skills in any one of those catagories to boot.

It is not about it being able to clear as fast as say coc (because lets be honest NOTHING clears like a crit build expecially coc) It is a bout being the clear best option in all cases for a melee character... and that is messed up.


Same with surgeons flasks, be glad they didn’t simply remove the mod.

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Surgeon's Flasks (Nerfed, but not retroactively)

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Tejlonpl wrote:

Nice joke , I have 2 incinerate builds and wonder how you gona repay me my lost time and effort on useles build ??? Remember not everyone is a geek sitting 20 hours a day playing POE .....

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yotmato wrote:

Incinerate was an okay spell, the rest of spells sucked hard, whats the answer? Nerf incinerate to the ground to make sure no one uses it again.

Incinerate clear speed even with top end gear was worst than many other skills like Reave, SRS or Split Arrow, not to talk about Vaal Spark of course.

Incinerate totems in high tier maps (t12+) are super squishy, they die to a simple mob autoattack even investing in Totem Life. It's so obvious you have never experienced this, I did. Shockwave totems or even crit Flame totem with top-end gear outscaled what Incinerate totems could do by a mile and a half.

GGG should hire you, please be more clueless.

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HegemonyTV wrote:

overall good changes.

really not a fan of the new surgeon's nerf.

I am a firm believer that this should be a nerfed thing, however I think this is too punishing by slower crit builds, and still abusable by abilities that hit in rapid succession ie molten strike/vaal spark.

Why not just make it so that you cannot gain more than 1 charge per 1-2 seconds? like an internal cooldown. That would be way more balanced and rewarding for slower crit builds and not so broken at the rapid hitting machine gunning skills.

Is storm call and glacial cascade the only spells that are getting base aoe buffs?

My concern mainly deals with heralds being readjusted to give higher base aoe too? Losing 10% aoe on heralds seems kind of brutal.

Cheers on the balance changes overall.