Cumulative Atlas Completion Bonus

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innervation wrote:

Basically, take your map pool at its best sustained level in Prophecy. Then shift it up 1.25 tiers.

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c0debr3ak wrote:

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Demonoz wrote:

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cutt wrote:

So essentially AoW will have the same map drop system as 2.3, but instead of tier 1,2,3,4 you will be getting tier 2,3,4,5. Wow, I was so excited for this expansion but this announcement 4 days before release completely killed any hype I had for it.

This expansion was your chance to make the end-game more accessible and not be hidden by crazy amounts of RNG and currency spending to roll higher tier maps and you did nothing to address that. I've officially lost any interest in AoW. Gonna buy Legion instead, at least there devs care about accessibility of their content.

I think you need and others need to go back and reread what chris wrote again.. Slowly..
He saying they are adjusting the system so we WONT see the same map starvation we have had in the past so everyone who is completing maps will be able to climb the tiers and wont see that usual wall at around T9-11.

Thats why they are not even going with the 33% penalty compared to now from the start like they planned to offset this bonus we will be getting and instead making sure the bonus will insure that once you get to that normal starving point in map progression if you have been completing maps and getting the bonus you will continue to build a map pool. They are trying to give us access to the higher maps easier so long as we are completing maps which is more than fair.

Yes please, go back and read it again.

You are going to get the same wall at t11-t12 because AoW have the quantity map drops of the live version, where are u getting the wall? in the live version, facepalm.

This is for "solve" the map starvation at lower tiers, damn can u even read the post?.

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Chris wrote:

TL;DR:
Old Atlas Bonus: 1% cumulative bonus to map drop rate per map completed (up to 123~125%). Overall map drops reduced by 33% to compensate at lower levels.

New Atlas Bonus: 1% chance for a map drop to upgrade by a tier per map completed (up to 123~125%). Higher than 100% means it can go up a second tier. Capped at maximum level that could drop from that monster (same as before). There is no reduction to map drop rates.

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Dr_Green wrote:

Let's assume that you are actually mapping at your supposed wall doing a t11 map and that it is your highest map. You are killing a blue pack and the game decides it wants to drop a t11. Now without the map upgrade bonus you didn't make progress cause you are still stuck at t11 but with the bonus the game bow upgrades the drop to a t12 and you can run that t12 and have the chance at a t13 or 14.
You can formulate that scenario for every tier except 16, hence the bonus let's you progress through the map tiers alot faster at every tier. It won't just shift the wall by 1 to 2 tiers. It will also help you sustain the tier that you are at because every drop that was 1 tier below you will now be a drop of the tier you are at.
I know that the 100% map drop bonus would also do the things i outlined but you seem to be implying that the new bonus won't help with map sustain or progression at all which is ridiculous.

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Nephalim wrote:

GGG, we still need a reliable guaranteed way to make maps harder while increasing their rewards.
Zana should be able to master craft hard affixes for quantity or pack size bonuses using chaos orbs.

Vaal orbs in many cases do nothing or brick the map in a way that your build can not do. Sextants are good first step but we need better more robust options.

So far, risky maps have very little gains over far riskier ones due to how totally rng quant/pack size are in determining what maps drop and the rest of the time you've burned out your vaal orb reserves on duds.

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kylegetsspam wrote:

This has the potential to be really good. Since we got the whole white-yellow-red map tier system, I've always felt a bit bad whenever I actually ran my red maps knowing that it was very likely to brick on the payout. Things got worse recently when the experience penalties were increased but the drop rate for red maps stayed as it was (as far as anyone knows).

Hopefully red maps won't feel like unicorns anymore...

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In any case, what I hope is coming, and it was touched on the latest podcast with Lifting and Ziggy, is an overhaul to the map mods themselves. Despite them being redone somewhat recently, it's still not quite right -- the system still doesn't incentivize running hard maps nor does it pay out for doing so.

Rolling maps is a simple matter of rolling for pack size mods that aren't much of a problem for your build. Mods that make a map extra rippy -- hexproof, extra damage, extra damage as [element], more crits, etc. -- don't really do much in terms of IIQ and provide no pack size. You roll maps more for your build's ability to function in that map as opposed to weighing real risk vs. reward.

I like Ziggy's idea of having synergistic map mods cause exponential rewards. So, rolling both extra elemental damage and lower max resists would stack and provide a significant bonus. I also liked PT's idea that all map mods provide some small amount of pack size in order to make you want to run the hardest god damned maps you could. Maps with extra damage could also provide a little extra experience.

But, hey, the patch notes are coming in a couple days, so I guess we'll have to see what all has been done.