[HC] [2.6] Summon Toxic Spirits | Poison Summon Raging Spirits | By @Ler_GG

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Ler wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAMDAAPuDXwN4g5cEHsRUBUnFdcXLxhWGYoajxslHNwdFB1PHaodvh8YIuoi9CSwKPosvy0fL28zhzW5RX5GcUiOSVFJsUuuTLNNuVH7UilV1lXgVmNXyVhaWpFca1-wYENk52ZUZp5odGqsavpsC20Zbj1vnnC7cg9_xoCkgseDCYRIhMW

Here is the temporary skilltree from the 2.6 POE Skilltree Planner ( YOU CAN NOT LOAD THE URL IN THE BROWSER - IMPORT IT INTO POE SKILLTREE PLANNER VERSION 2.6)

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Graydee wrote:

Why don't use multistrike instead of Empower?
1) multistrike 30% less attack damage don't double dips, poison don't double dips from attack damage, only bleed double dips from attack damage
2) so it means that MS give u 1.36 more dps for all, for usual attack and for poison (because u can stack poison infinite)
3) if u have 21 SRS, 4 lvl empower give u get 1.34 more dps for all, and this damage don't double dip too, because it just make numbers of your initial damage bigger
4) but it make added chaos damage gem worse:
a) with 21srs it give 1.35 more dps, what not double dip, but all use in poison damage so it give 1.67 more dps for poison
b) with 21srs+4emp it give 1.26 more dps, for poison it give 1.51 more dps

other gem work same way for all setups, because they just give multiplicative numbers

so in my math conclusion:
srs+emp+addchaosdamage; standart = x*1.34*1.26 = x*1.69; poison = x*1.34*1.51=x*2.02
srs+ms+addchaosdamage; standart = x*1.36*1.35 = x*1.83; poison = x*1.36*1.67=x*2.27

and same math for void manipulation - it does double dip usually, but if we use it instead of addchaosdamage it just give u 1.39 more dps for poison, and don't give more standart dps, because we don't deal any chaos damage.

low level empower sucks even more, so i really don't get, why OP use it.

my calculation spreadsheets - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sG5i0FY4RjQ65GLUul5Pks0m9cx6o8ZgyJcGSZFv9Os/edit?usp=sharing

so setups from best to worse (we always use Minion Damage, Melee Damage, Melee Splash) and how much more damage from previous setup we will get
1) srs 21 + empower 4 + multisrike = more 13.7%
2) srs 21 + added c d + multisrike = more 6.2%
3) srs 20 + added c d + multisrike = more 5.1%
4) srs 21 + empower 4 + added c d = more 6.9%
5) srs 20 + empower 4 + added c d = more 9.1%
6) srs 20 + empower 4 + multistrike = 100%

so i use 3rd setup because from best it just deals 17.2% less damage, but it don't cost so surprisingly high: best setup on legacy(srs21+empower4) cost around 12 ex + coloring(4r+2b) , 2-nd - 3ex, 3-th - 6c :D

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Ler wrote:

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Graydee wrote:

Why don't use multistrike instead of Empower?
1) multistrike 30% less attack damage don't double dips, poison don't double dips from attack damage, only bleed double dips from attack damage
2) so it means that MS give u 1.36 more dps for all, for usual attack and for poison (because u can stack poison infinite)
3) if u have 21 SRS, 4 lvl empower give u get 1.34 more dps for all, and this damage don't double dip too, because it just make numbers of your initial damage bigger
4) but it make added chaos damage gem worse:
a) with 21srs it give 1.35 more dps, what not double dip, but all use in poison damage so it give 1.67 more dps for poison
b) with 21srs+4emp it give 1.26 more dps, for poison it give 1.51 more dps

other gem work same way for all setups, because they just give multiplicative numbers

so in my math conclusion:
srs+emp+addchaosdamage; standart = x*1.34*1.26 = x*1.69; poison = x*1.34*1.51=x*2.02
srs+ms+addchaosdamage; standart = x*1.36*1.35 = x*1.83; poison = x*1.36*1.67=x*2.27

and same math for void manipulation - it does double dip usually, but if we use it instead of addchaosdamage it just give u 1.39 more dps for poison, and don't give more standart dps, because we don't deal any chaos damage.

low level empower sucks even more, so i really don't get, why OP use it.

my calculation spreadsheets - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sG5i0FY4RjQ65GLUul5Pks0m9cx6o8ZgyJcGSZFv9Os/edit?usp=sharing

so setups from best to worse (we always use Minion Damage, Melee Damage, Melee Splash) and how much more damage from previous setup we will get
1) srs 21 + empower 4 + multisrike = more 13.7%
2) srs 21 + added c d + multisrike = more 6.2%
3) srs 20 + added c d + multisrike = more 5.1%
4) srs 21 + empower 4 + added c d = more 6.9%
5) srs 20 + empower 4 + added c d = more 9.1%
6) srs 20 + empower 4 + multistrike = 100%

so i use 3rd setup because from best it just deals 17.2% less damage, but it don't cost so surprisingly high: best setup on legacy(srs21+empower4) cost around 12 ex + coloring(4r+2b) , 2-nd - 3ex, 3-th - 6c :D

NO double dipping gem = bad.
Lvl 3 empower > all couz of base dmg scaling
VOid Manipulation will outperform everything with lvl 3+ empower pretty certain.