[3.6 Video Guide] Beginner's Guide SRS Baron Life [HC/SC/Atziri/Uber Izaro/Shaper Viable]

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goodlordbl4 wrote:

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Ghazzy wrote:

Baron is generally stronger than classic life based versions due to the pathing granting extra damage for pretty much no loss what so ever :)

my current dps per skull via PathOfBuilding (ver 2.6)
+3 staff, lvl2 Empower, lvl20 gem, melee splash, w\o Vaal haste, with EE


how about this build?

Baron would still be better with the exact same setup only benefiting strength modifiers. Same rule applies.

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Ghazzy wrote:

Baron would still be better with the exact same setup only benefiting strength modifiers. Same rule applies.

can you calculate your dps with Baron via PathOfBuilding?

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goodlordbl4 wrote:

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Ghazzy wrote:

Baron would still be better with the exact same setup only benefiting strength modifiers. Same rule applies.

can you calculate your dps with Baron via PathOfBuilding?

Usually don't trust Path of Building when it comes to minion dmg calculations, but since you asked:

To go with your list I used lvl 20 SRS with Empower lvl 2, melee splash, melee phys, Elemental focus, min dmg.

Using Bisco's Leash BUT calculated with buffed HideOut stats which means 0 gains from the Rampage which adds another 200% minion dmg as well as 100% minion movement speed.

Average Damage: 11932.7
Attack/Cast Rate: 2.49
Total DPS: 29727.1
Total Life: 5910.0


Since the Rampage buff isn't showing either I decided to add an item granting 150% minion damage (you'll reach 200% fast n easy but for the sake of more accurate numbers during Rampage on the way up to 1k):

Average Damage: 15433.7
Attack/Cast Rate: 2.49
Total DPS: 38448.9
Total Life: 5900.0


Though I must say that Multistrike will get you much higher DPS than a lvl 2 Empower. Empower is generally only used for SRS if it is lvl 3 or higher.
Example would be that my total DPS in the last calculation would be well over 47,000 if I replace Empower lvl 2 for Multistrike despite it being in a +3 staff. You never want to use Empower unless it's lvl 3 or higher no matter what weapon stats you got. :)


Hope that helped you with the calculations!

The thing is, what ever tree you're using for SRS, Baron is free damage addition & rampage is not to be underestimated.

Thoughts on using The Covenant for free Blood Magic and added Chaos?

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Covenant

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Memnokkh wrote:

Thoughts on using The Covenant for free Blood Magic and added Chaos?

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/The_Covenant

You lose too much on the +2 (or +3) from the weapon to use it, however, it could potentially be good with the combination of Victario's Charity and potentially Severed or United in dream. Would need to do some calculations for it, I personally think that with that ammount of currency invested you might as well go CWC CI AW :)

this is boost in my current tree (~400+ str) from Baron Helmet. it is not so hight :(

so, conversion to str or pick more str in tree is not very good boost because 1 jewell give up to 16% minion damage, or you need make 80 str (5 str = 1% in Baron mechanic)

Of course , Rampage is good damage bonus, but it work only on few maps. in 3.0 atlas abuse will be nerfed, so run linear map will gives less profit.

The gloves are generally extremely expensive which is why I'm using the belt, on top of it being somewhat hard to get!


Bone helmet can be very strong as well of course, you don't really focus on strength it's just that strength gives you HP so your gear should include strength rolls being "free dmg".

CI versions of SRS works great in 3.0 as in 2.6 which build is stronger is more or less impossible to say, it will always come down to a matter of taste. For example, I'm running minion speed in my support gems despite having Rampage for movement to further enhance the clear speed even though it does drop my actual damage performance a bit it is still better in the long run.

When it comes to the nerf of "shaped strand" meta we don't really need these linear maps to sustain rampage, I'm hitting 1k rampage without problems in most maps due to the insanely effective speed you are getting as well from the Rampage stacks (movement speed that is).
Though, it will obviously be "harder" but it is still worth the investment to use the belt (or gloves) to get that buff non the less :)

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Ghazzy wrote:

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dperls wrote:

Any changes you would make for SC?

Might drop some HP nodes then get the second duration cluster for IC & Vaal Haste or so I guess.

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1mark wrote:

my version is similar.


but
added MoM + more minions damage from three.
and no Haste and no Champion of the cause

about 40% mana unused for MoM

It was an approach I was tempted to go for but felt it was not as good as running with Haste imo at least.

Haste aura
vs
MoM 30% damage migration + more free passive (minion damage, life) + no need BM craft





i like second choice way more. (playing hardcore)
but i guess for Races haste is always better of course.

with Vaal haste + Flesh offering, cast speed is already insane imo




at the end its just question of taste.
but i think MoM version is more suited for casual hardcore player, way more tanky

nice guide btw. always liked ur stream also.

@1mark:

Very much appreciated, thank you <3

As I always tell people;
See my or any other guides as guidelines rather than "this is the only way to go about the build". If you prefer to play this with a MoM approach, then do it, the guides I have I create with my own personal preference in terms of playstyle.

I do believe that for a more casual approach a MoM would feel better indeed, however you would loose efficiency for more tankiness which I don't think is needed once you get used to the build itself, which is why I decided to opt out from that path, but it was in my first few casts of this build! :)

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Ghazzy wrote:

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dperls wrote:

Any changes you would make for SC?

Might drop some HP nodes then get the second duration cluster for IC & Vaal Haste or so I guess.

Something like this?
Any changes you would recommend? Where would you go from here? Simply more strength nodes?