ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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I've been refuting incorrect opinions and experts since age 4.

Um you should read death of expertise by Tom Nicolles. tragedy of commons results when people think they know more than experts. Pick experts carefully with convincing facts though

Experts are often very good at their field of expertise. Sometimes within that field they still make mistakes, or get drawn deep into personal pursuit of an idea that will either further their fame or cause them to be discredited.

If all the experts were right, there would be no very little room for future study. What we find in many cases, is that experts are often mostly right, or usually right. Always right? No so much.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Trump needs to GTFO. His foreign policy is terrible in general. Continuing to illegally occupy Syria,

Perhaps you've noticed ISIS is just about extinct.

[Removed by Support]

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Aim_Deep wrote:

, etc. And now wants to start shit with Iran lol.

I remember the millions of Americans who died in the 2017-2018 American North Korean war. I remember all the nuclear weapons North Korea launched at us. I remember this because CNN told me we we all going to die horribly because Trump was a warmonger.

Trump isn't "starting" something with Iran. He's telling him the free pallets of cash and looking the other way of the Obama administration is over. Iran will play nicely, or they will be dismantled. Their internal dissidents and a little outside help will grease the skids if necessary. Putin may even help if persuaded.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

On the one hand, deathflower's argument is completely incorrect. On the other hand, it's karmic justice.

Incorrect in what sense? Leninist communism is very distant from Marx’s vision of communism. Communist Party leaders purging their political enemies isn't some obscure secret.

Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism are all fruits of the Marxist tree. In all of them, the people provide the work and the products, while the state controls the distribution of the products. They are all utopias formulated on the idea that if everyone just adhered to formula X _____ where others control them, they will be happy.

The State knows best. Now surrender that plastic straw or face six months in prison!

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

]At the risk of sounding like a broken record: Wrong. Individualism is centrist. The true right is collectivist.

This is 100% wrong. Individualism is "right" Collectivism is leftist. The freedom of thought and rights we take for granted as individuals now evolved from conservative ideals where the ideals were more important than the government or the religious authorities. China had a similar line of thinking with Confucian values, excepting that it did not evolve into the same ideas of individual freedoms. In the west, The ideals they evolved from were rooted in Judeo Christianity. Those roots provide a lot of the "baggage" that leftists like to use to show those on the "right" want to control what people can personally do or not do.

History is important. Ignoring it and focusing to heavily on modern interpretations leads to incorrect analysis and bad predictions.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Not all forms of collectivism are left-wing, because not all forms of collectivism tend towards communist ideology. Some forms of collectivism are radically anti-communist and thus anti-left.

Anti-communism does not make it anti-left. Fascism is leftist and yet anti-communist. (Think of it as Bobby Brady's son with Mike Brady being socialism).

Go back and learn about how all of these evolved, who was involved and how they mutated. You will find very strong personalities making shifts on doctrine and at time twisting that doctrine around to whatever they wanted. The shift from Leninism to Stalinism didn't happen because Russia became enamored of Stalin's viewpoints. It happened because he shoved it down their throats and killed off anyone opposing it. Yet, people talk about the differences between Leninism and Stalinism and Marxism as if they were the result of careful
consideration of policy shifts.

Dalai, I posted a video as evidence. Tell me how that video is "left."

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Studies on twins/siblings/bioparents/etc and IQ seem to indicate that IQ is 35-40% genetic in adults

IQ can be tested very well for children, the closer you get to adulthood, the more meaningless the results become. Diet, health, education, training, experience will buffer and benefit or diminish a person's mental acuity to some degree, but they will skew the results of the tests far more than they do reality.

The good news is this means with effort and some help, people can achieve far more than one might assume from genetics alone. Persistence is undervalued, for starters.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Dalai, I posted a video as evidence. Tell me how that video is "left."

If "Why Radical INDIVIDUALISM in a TRIBALIZING Society Wont Work " is the video you are talking about:

He's more like a Bernie Bro who has taken a few fledgling steps towards the edge of the nest, but hasn't learned to use his right wing yes, so can't fly.

He is against some positions of the left, obviously, but he isn't "right". At the end he talks about Tribalism without any relevance other than providing what he imagines is a counter to the left's identity politics. He can't grasp that the identity politics of the left are tribalism. He thinks using a left wing tactic will somehow prevent left wing dominance of politics.

He has the millennial's version of Stockholm Syndrome: he is finding virtues in his conqueror's habits.

But on to his video:

He associates historical illiteracy and people wanting communism with the individualism of Jordan Peterson? It is the lack of historical literacy, combined with public brainwashing that led people to think socialism is good. If they had Peterson's knowledge, they would oppose socialism.

The person making the video thinks Identity politics will continue to dominate the political landscape for the foreseeable future. He is obviously too young to have known a time when it wasn't even a factor. He thus had no concept of how quickly things can change, and I sincerely doubt he has any idea how it happened.

OK, watching a little further - "1990s" "Recently" Nope, he has no idea.

Why would anyone 4 out of 10 of people surveyed as proof of something. Imagine a survey on strawberry. 6/10 liked it and 4/10 didn't, so I use that 4 out of 10 to show people don't like strawberry.

"Political radicalization has begun as a direct result of the economic policies of the 1980s"

I'm not convinced the economic policies of the 1980s influenced Thomas Jefferson and John Adams into their vicious campaign..:



'If Thomas Jefferson were to become president, “We would see our wives and daughters the victims of legal prostitution.'

'The election of Jefferson would create a nation where “murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will openly be taught and practiced.'

http://mentalfloss.com/article/12487/adams-vs-jefferson-birth-negative-campaigning-us
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-presidential-campaigns-getting-nastier-not-really/hermaphroditical



"Slide into radical socialism..." "An entire generation"
It started with socialism, and to make CNN happy, there was indeed a lot of Russian effort to make sure socialism took root in the United States. If he doesn't see the large portion starting in the 1950's he hasn't even bothered to look.

The video maker thinks identity politics is ascending. It is not. It has peaked. There are no more new groups for them to recruit. They have thrown away the people they claimed to be representing over and over again. By the left's actions, and failure to act, they have shown that all people are "token" people to them. The Walkaway movement isn't as big as the maker thinks it is, but people are recognizing that they are being used and disposed of by the left.

There is only one group they haven't abandoned, and that group is not enough to keep them in power.

The video maker's idea that tribalism groups will dominate (if the current trend of soybois continues) isn't wrong, but it has nothing to do with tribalism vs individualism. That he doesn't know why it could be the case (when it is blatantly obvious), tells me I needn't bother watching any future videos of his. An alien from another star system, with at least our human level of optical technology, with zero knowledge of Earth's languages or politics could tell you why.

He asserts "worshiping at the altar of individualism" is equally as wrong as those who are against individualism.

I am confused by one thing though - Your video source says the same thing I and others are saying - individualism is the opposite of leftism/collectivism.

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DalaiLama wrote:

He thinks using a left wing tactic will somehow prevent left wing dominance of politics.

He has the millennial's version of Stockholm Syndrome: he is finding virtues in his conqueror's habits.

It's not like Trump and Trump supporters never do this. Consider Mike Cernovich's recent and successful charge to get Guardians of the Galaxy director and anti-Trumper James Gunn fired for dozens of "pedophile" tweets, utilizing by an army of politically conservative meme farmers. This is a clear example of right-wingers using SJW tactics against a left-winger. Is this a horrible thing in your eyes, or justice?

Also, you're getting annoyed at a Japanese citizen for "finding virtues in his conquerers habits." First, he's a very distant observer; radical leftism doesn't have that kind of influence on Japanese politics. Second, emulating the winner is part of their culture, and not illogically so: if you lose, there must be something the winner is doing better.

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DalaiLama wrote:

The person making the video thinks Identity politics will continue to dominate the political landscape for the foreseeable future. He is obviously too young to have known a time when it wasn't even a factor.

When was this? If you ask me, political identity has always been a thing -- it's just that in the decades following MLK's "I have a dream" speech the US was mostly unwilling to accept those who openly define their identity along racial lines (ex: Black Panther party).

Also, what do you think of this if libertarianism is supposedly far-right?
https://www.politicalcompass.org

Is "authoritarian right" a contradiction in terms? What about "libertarian left?"

Gonna have to put my 2 cents in on individualism vs collectivism.

Either one can be good, or bad, to some degree. Extremes of either are equally bad, IMO.

Hypothetical here, suppose I'm in a guild, and don't ever share anything with other members, "because they're supposed to earn their own shit and make their own way", and I'm gonna just vendor/delete stuff for orb fractions, just because. Even though someone leveling up a new character might be able to use these items.

Hypothetical here, suppose I'm in a guild, and I'm constantly begging for free gibs, with the attitude of "You're supposed to help me, or what's the point of this guild?".

In extreme cases, individualism leads to greed, and collectivism leads to entitlement.

Report: US Therapists See Increase in Patients With 'Trump Anxiety Disorder'

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/29/us-therapists-see-increase-patients-trump-anxiety-disorder

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Therapists say there's been a rise in anxiety stemming from the country's politics, and it is being called "Trump Anxiety Disorder."

A report from CBC News in Canada says that since President Trump was elected, mental health professionals in the United States have seen an increase in patients whose stress has come from politics.

A prevalent "symptom" of the "disorder" is feeling as though the world is going to end.

Aw, what a shame. These poor little snowflakes should find some therapy animals, and coloring books.