ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

I am not an American so I am not familiar with the intricasies of their political system but why would anyone go around praising a guy who elects his well off friends into positions they are not qualified for? A guy whose campaign chairman, personal lawyer and national security advisor are now all either convicted or admitted felons?

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bimbobaggings wrote:

I am not an American so I am not familiar with the intricasies of their political system but why would anyone go around praising a guy who elects his well off friends into positions they are not qualified for? A guy whose campaign chairman, personal lawyer and national security advisor are now all either convicted or admitted felons?

Because the american mindset is to never ever admit you were wrong.

Instead of going "I was wrong about Trump", they'd rather go "Trump lied/deceived me". Or in the case of some even worse they will go "meh, Hilarry would still be worse" and all kind of mental gymnastics to avoid saying "I chose poorly, sorry".


It's disheartening honestly. You are allowed to make mistakes, that's how you progress. But being able to admit you made a mistake is just as important otherwise you keep repeating that mistake out of stubbornness and that leads to nowhere.

I mean, look at the guy put in charge of environment. He was a firm disbeliever of global warming and he changed his opinion through the many reports of climate research and he humbly admitted he was wrong.

That's the kind of attitude EVERYONE should have. Be able to admit when you are wrong. Especially for elected officials.

Trump was recruited, this whole hes working alone thing is a illusion. And that is how the media plays it like hes a lone wolf. The people that recruited him already knew everything about him, they dont care and neither do we.

Nobody is saying they are wrong for choosing Trump, they are saying they are right.

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faerwin wrote:

Because the american mindset is to never ever admit you were wrong.

Instead of going "I was wrong about Trump", they'd rather go "Trump lied/deceived me". Or in the case of some even worse they will go "meh, Hilarry would still be worse" and all kind of mental gymnastics to avoid saying "I chose poorly, sorry".


It's disheartening honestly. You are allowed to make mistakes, that's how you progress. But being able to admit you made a mistake is just as important otherwise you keep repeating that mistake out of stubbornness and that leads to nowhere.

I mean, look at the guy put in charge of environment. He was a firm disbeliever of global warming and he changed his opinion through the many reports of climate research and he humbly admitted he was wrong.

That's the kind of attitude EVERYONE should have. Be able to admit when you are wrong. Especially for elected officials.

That what people get wrong. It doesn't matter whether Trump is a turnip. Trump supporters like their turnip. Democracy allow you to pick a turnip. Picking a turnip isn't a mistake, it is an intentional choice.

If Trump supporters think they are right in jumping off a cliff, that isn't a mistake. That is conviction, however crazy they be. You don't called jumping a cliff a mistake, that's silly.

The way I looked at the 2016 Election was "you can have Hillary Clinton, pseudo-pardoned felon and primary-rigger, or you can have The Incredible Hulk."

I voted "Smash." Not regretful; it's actually turned out better than I thought it would, although not quite as well as I'd hoped.



And I'll give you Democrats considerably more credit than you'll give me: although I don't quite agree with the choice, I can see how a well-informed person of sound mind might have thought Pantsuit Loki was the better option.

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morbo wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

What exactly is wrong with neoliberalism? Think you are using wrong term.

What's wrong with it, is similar to what is wrong with other political / economy models: too much of it eventually degenerates into a bad thing.

Liberty is ok, until it degenerates into progresivism
Capitalism is ok, until it degenerates into corporatism
Socialism (having some social safety nets) is ok, until it degenerates into communism
Nationalism is ok, until it degenerates into imperialism
etc..

Maximizing profits at any costs, eventually leads to all the things currently destroying our societies:
- exploiting women as a workforce is leading to demographic extinction
- importing cheap labour & exporting production is impoverishing us and creating more dependency on government
- total liberal degeneracy (sexual, moral...) is destroying families and creating crime
- consumerism detaching people from reality and nature
- for profit corporate wars

I guess you can call it "globalism" or "corporatism" if you want, it's the same shit. If you want a healthy society, everything needs to be done in moderation and this is true for capitalism & "free markets" too. I guess for people that don't care about culture, nation, identity... the current neoliberal consumerist model is awesome. Leading to a deracinated global society revolving around things and services and gadgets.

Cultural differences are an obstacle for profit margins. Here is where I draw the line on "free markets" - when they start destroying cultural, national & historical identity. A slightly higher GDP is just not worth loosing your nation.

There really isn't a good system out there, when you slide it to the max - when you project the endgame of the system. Communism is about eternal class warfare. Nazism is about eternal racial warfare. And capitalism is about eternal GDP warfare. Life is lived best with moderation, no? Currently the biggest threat to liberty is the neoliberal idea of globalism.

You Don't need "balance" you need pure free market. A man with a dollar decides how it's spent which built western world to what they are until decline with and living on legacy with debt. Pure mercantilism is real democracy not this theft and redistribution.

Cultural mores tenants and attitudes will retain automatically under real neoiberalism. You think if no free lunch was provided deadbeat would immigrate? No it would be ppl that worked within successful system. Assets.

Anyway what you describe of our current corporate state is the futherist thing from neoliberalism but more akin to fascism. it's not like consumers have choice either in tax or grants to these companies.

look I dont mind taxes totally. Even sharia has 2.5% - a far cry from what's paid in western world.

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faerwin wrote:

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bimbobaggings wrote:

I am not an American so I am not familiar with the intricasies of their political system but why would anyone go around praising a guy who elects his well off friends into positions they are not qualified for? A guy whose campaign chairman, personal lawyer and national security advisor are now all either convicted or admitted felons?

Because the american mindset is to never ever admit you were wrong.

Instead of going "I was wrong about Trump", they'd rather go "Trump lied/deceived me". Or in the case of some even worse they will go "meh, Hilarry would still be worse" and all kind of mental gymnastics to avoid saying "I chose poorly, sorry".


It's disheartening honestly. You are allowed to make mistakes, that's how you progress. But being able to admit you made a mistake is just as important otherwise you keep repeating that mistake out of stubbornness and that leads to nowhere.

I mean, look at the guy put in charge of environment. He was a firm disbeliever of global warming and he changed his opinion through the many reports of climate research and he humbly admitted he was wrong.

That's the kind of attitude EVERYONE should have. Be able to admit when you are wrong. Especially for elected officials.

I don't like Trump I think he's racist, ignorant, and protectionist but would vote for him 100x if I could because tax bill and lower regs. At the end of the day those who work vote pocketbook.

I'd much prefer Rubio tho but was not given that choice.

As I said before whole system is a system of least worst in a democracy. Trump is least worst.

Real question is why are we having a handful of ppls decide things for 350 million and the whole globe in case or war. Just crazy. Take thier power. First off starve the beast which trump seems very good at, second cut it which he needs practice.

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faerwin wrote:

It's actually causing those that heavily use steel and aluminium (mostly steel) to want to move part of their production elsewhere, which means loss of jobs.

Look at Harley Davidson and the Europe market.

They have to pay a 25% tax on steel, which they use heavily and 10% on aluminium, if it comes from imports (a lot do because US can't produce enough steel for itself).

Then they have to pay a tax to export their products in Europe because Europe decided to tax US products as a retaliation and their motorcycles is part of it.

Result, they have to pay two taxes because of Trump. As a result of that, they want to move part of their production to Europe to avoid these taxes.


Most company that can afford to move production elsewhere will do it because getting taxed like that means that they have to unless they want to lose that market (losing that market also result in jobs being lost).

Trump is misguided in tariffs.

Like all leftist policies, their ideas are so good that they have to be forced on you. Tarriffs are left wing

So is gov spending to support these farmers who can no longer compete with like/retaliatory tarrifs. Basically anything but protect life property and liberty is left. Most republicans are left wingers...again - explain why we are running a 1 trillion deficit in "best of times" like obama

Trump is actually a borderline commie but like I said "least worst"

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Aim_Deep wrote:

You Don't need "balance" you need pure free market. A man with a dollar decides how it's spent which built western world to what they are until decline with and living on legacy with debt. Pure mercantilism is real democracy not this theft and redistribution.

Except when corporations grow so big that they influence politicians (politicians like Hillary Clinton), there isn't a free market anymore. Politicians beholden to Big Corp love to pass legislation that prevents competition. What is not killed by regulation is killed by patent warfare, that companies like Google, Apple & Microsoft love to use.

The so called free market already degenerated into corporatism before we were even born. Look at all the wars that have been started in the last 16 years on complete lies. Who's benefiting from all that? Certainly not the American taxpayers. So, if the public isn't benefiting, then the private sector is. And foreign policy in the hands of corporations is not a good thing.

Big Corp is ok with open borders mass immigration. If they can get 5% of good & cheap workers from that, even if the rest 95% of immigrants are all hanging on the government teats & rising your crime rates, it's still a win for corporatism. Privatize profit, socialize losses. With the current trends, USA will turn into Mexico 2.0 in a few decades. Not just demographically, but politically & culturally too. Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world.

So, what political options do you have?

1.) Neocon/Neolib (aka Bush or Obama) establishment, which are the reason it came to this shitty situation in the first place. Stay the course, more corporate wars, more debt, more demographic destruction, less middle class.

2.) Latino-style socialists in the Democratic party, that will take your guns away and turn USA into rat-eating Venezuela. If you want the societal collapse sooner than latter, you should vote for these guys. (just hide your guns, so you can shoot commie zombies later)

3.) Right-wing populism, under the illustrious leadership of the God Emperor, putting the interests of US citizens first and stop being an all-you-can-eat buffet for the whole world.

We are way past the state of a theoretical "free market" and corporatism needs to be brought to heel somehow. You can either do it with socialism or with nationalism.