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ZeroCloud wrote:

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crazypearce wrote:

well you need a brand to cast to make the trigger wand go off. can use frost bomb in a spare socket and manually cast it sure, but you still need a spare socket somewhere for that so you may as well use the brand and put frost bomb in the trigger wand

Frostbomb never seems to go onto the monsters where it is useful, how are you targeting its location?
It just goes off in random locations based on trigger cycling through the 3 gems when using spells (phase, dash, convocation, brand) when I am moving around.
Most of the time in maps it gets put down behind me as I am progressing instead of on the mobs, and then on bosses I would have to go stand by the boss and get 3 spells hit quickly to try and get it to drop near the boss which is not easy to do on deadly ones.

How are you doing this in gameplay?

Not OP but that's the point of the brand, you can just spam it on the boss. You don't need the dps for regular mapping.

Does anyone have any input on frost auto scouts vs SOs?

Also, Crazy, have you tried predator instead of feeding frenzy? It hurts to not be able to have a 6th damage link in there but sockets are so tight and I don't how you could get it without the link

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dperls wrote:

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ZeroCloud wrote:

Frostbomb never seems to go onto the monsters where it is useful, how are you targeting its location?
It just goes off in random locations based on trigger cycling through the 3 gems when using spells (phase, dash, convocation, brand) when I am moving around.
Most of the time in maps it gets put down behind me as I am progressing instead of on the mobs, and then on bosses I would have to go stand by the boss and get 3 spells hit quickly to try and get it to drop near the boss which is not easy to do on deadly ones.

How are you doing this in gameplay?

Not OP but that's the point of the brand, you can just spam it on the boss. You don't need the dps for regular mapping.

Ok, so you are saying you go stand by the boss while you wait to get 3 brands off in row (worst case cycle scenario). This doesn't seem realistic in the heat of battle against major bosses.

yeah, frost bomb doesn't matter so much aside from bosses. just let it do it's thing. bosses you just go in their face and spam brand for a frost bomb in there, move away a little, then convocation your SOs into the sweet spot for the shotgun.

in terms of predator yea i do use it but the damage is so crazy that i really don't ever bother with the gem swap - the main benefit for the swap on proper bosses is that feeding frenzy makes them aggresive meaning they won't stay at a good range for the shotgun, so i do swap out there sometimes

in terms of build progression i've setup double clusters with renewal and vicious bite large clusters, 4 mediums with first amoung equals and vengeful commander, 4 smalls with health, whatever ones take your preference. the crit is really nice, add a bottled faith and they're really strong. you don't notice much against regular trash but you can tell that legion monoliths full clear a lot easier and bosses melt almost twice as fast too.

the problem is the price, i'm not sure if they're worth it in all honestly. they're so strong with a basic setup that i think you are better off investing elsewhere, like a +2 wand or even a good pseudo 6l helm and just better gear elsewhere. that being said it is super powerful tho it's probably not worth it if you can only afford one cluster setup.

https://pastebin.com/ahqcmkRD

there's a pob for anyone interested. it's really hard to test because they are just strong in general and without actual numbers a few bits are probably not completely efficient. just a lot of trial and error at the moment

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ZeroCloud wrote:

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dperls wrote:

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ZeroCloud wrote:

Frostbomb never seems to go onto the monsters where it is useful, how are you targeting its location?
It just goes off in random locations based on trigger cycling through the 3 gems when using spells (phase, dash, convocation, brand) when I am moving around.
Most of the time in maps it gets put down behind me as I am progressing instead of on the mobs, and then on bosses I would have to go stand by the boss and get 3 spells hit quickly to try and get it to drop near the boss which is not easy to do on deadly ones.

How are you doing this in gameplay?

Not OP but that's the point of the brand, you can just spam it on the boss. You don't need the dps for regular mapping.

Ok, so you are saying you go stand by the boss while you wait to get 3 brands off in row (worst case cycle scenario). This doesn't seem realistic in the heat of battle against major bosses.

You have to get fairly close to convocate in shotgun range anyways, I find that it works well enough to use the socket, although I'm still in t13s.

I. Frostbomb works in AOE, no need to pinpoint boss.

II. Frost Auto-Scouts attacks looks like Redemption Sentry attacks - Projectiles and Barrage.
Projectile attacks are faster than RS. Barrage attack faster and cooldown lower.
But they use SPELL tag, not ATTACK tag. So consider them as Frost Sentinels.
Their damage type is 100% Cold damage.

Recommended setup RS-Minion Damage-Spell Echo-GMP-Ele Focus\Predator-Controlled Destruction. 5B 1G.

III. Syndicate Operatives are pure physical damage projectile ATTACKs.
But they use EMPTY SPELL every 0.87sec to trigger their attacks.
Use SPELL ECHO to increase their attack speed.

SO has 3 great advantages above other great spectres.
1) Their projectiles has INNATE PIERCE.
2) They BENEFIT from GMP, because they are "shotguns" - EACH of their projectiles can hit the SAME target.
3) Their damage type can be converted into elemental damage.
But you can use them as pure PHYS damage spectres with Impale+Dread Banner+Generosity.

Thou they have a CONS too. To deal great damage they must not be in MELEE zone.
You must position them with Convocation away from melee bosses, or their damage would be awful.

Best aura setup for COLD-converted SO - Generosity+Hatred, Skitterbots+Bonechill. I'm running this setup on Starter Build.

For those, who play on STANDARD HEIST League - join /global 6666 and ask for ANY popular spectres.

Cheers and sorry for my bad english :)

How valuable is having a 5th spectre? Is it worth more than %inc minion damage rolls on a wand? I have around 96% increased damage rolls on my convoking wand and am curious if I should drop it for the +1 level wand with trigger enchant to get my 5th spectre.

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SaintW wrote:

How valuable is having a 5th spectre? Is it worth more than %inc minion damage rolls on a wand?

Yes it worth any %inc minion damage slot :)

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Singrave wrote:

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SaintW wrote:

How valuable is having a 5th spectre? Is it worth more than %inc minion damage rolls on a wand?

Yes it worth any %inc minion damage slot :)

Okay thanks. I was hesitant on dropping a big multiplier for a 5th.

Grip of the council or 4G Triad grip for Syndicate operatives?
What are the benefits of converting to cold over adding 20% as cold?

Hello Kay. In the 2 cluster Sydnicate Operatives pure spectres build, you said you need to get 2 large cluster jewels with feasting fiends, primordial bond and renewal, but if you only take feasting fiends and renewal, why do you need one with primordial bond ? The difference in price is like 2 ex. Can't you just get one with feasting fiends and renewal only?