AI can generate portaits indistinguishable from real human faces. what does this mean?

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erdelyii wrote:

YES Zombies and Hitchhikers (selected from my book: Small Arcs of Larger Circles)

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Boem wrote:

I read both story's and perhaps "luckely" in some unfathomable logic i have had similar cases though not as "close to home" as my own child.

Though i would say my nephew is also not a very distant case emotionally.

He once came to me in the evening, after waking up with fear so i asked him what was the mater?

He explained to me there was a dragon in his dream that he feared, the creature would terorize him and the only solution he could come up with was to fight the creature but he did not have the bravery to do so.

My answer was simple, i started telling him a story of the dragon's child captured and taken far away by unforeseen circumstances, the dragon was not to be feared but understood in his totality.

Now to understand this story better, you would have to know his parent split up and his father is emotionally unstable. The dragon and source of impotence to act upon, my nephew is a bright child, but it would be unrealistic to demand he act upon his father's behavior without fearing repercusions.

I thought it wiser to provide him with a framework to understand the behavior and it's origin/totality as to not fall trap to replicating it and looking up to it as a source of "power".

That same father, many years before this event when my nephew was not yet born also tried to commit suicide with a knife.
So while i was not the direct target of the knife, it could have certainly turned out in a way that did not "favor" me, lets say.

I bassicaly did the same thing as in the second story, since i am fundamentally interested in humans and how they get to be who they are.
I talked him down, without the intend of stopping him.

I would say that if i have a problem it is that i fundamentally constantly think like this and am to stubborn(unlike trevor in the story) to yield dignity in favor of partaking in society.

I don't see any favor in maintaining the zombie structure sort of speak, i think it leads to a lot of confusion of what humans are and what is to be expected of them.(inside a childs mental cohesion)

I guess my initial thought was not wrong, a fascinating women and i hope she is capable of formulating vocabulaire to get her concept across to as many people as she possibly can.

Cheers for the links sir.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit : i should note, after rereading that, the story about the dragons child being taken away flowed out of me naturally without the same "logical framework" i put on it now.
It was a story out of that black box i mentioned that holds all and no answers.

The basic notion is though that i took him serious and respected him as a fellow human. I didn't shrug it of as "just another dream-terror" or "a childs problem without significance".

I know he is worth more then that :), everybody is.

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鬼殺し wrote:

I've had nothing to add to this thread so far, but this seems suddenly appropriate.


So based on my purchase of book four in a series, this brilliant algorithm has figured out I might also like books five, six, seven...and two of the same series.

Shit, now that's some scary AI.

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tsunamikun wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

I've had nothing to add to this thread so far, but this seems suddenly appropriate.


So based on my purchase of book four in a series, this brilliant algorithm has figured out I might also like books five, six, seven...and two of the same series.

Shit, now that's some scary AI.

exactly this is the fact. single achievemnts of overly specialised Alogrithms under lab environments are awesome, but practically? we're nowhere near an actual AI. I do quite a lot in autonomous robotics but alone the As Is situation in a normal room is already extremly complicated. scanning the room, finding the objective, planning the route, defining routines to even drive, pickup etc. are complex when you need to account for a random environment. And that is research, meaning this shit won't come to your rooma in the next 5 years.

the same with these examples of NNs. Yeah it's awesome to use falsification algorithms (yep they are old, prolog, scala etc work with them) in concert with NNs. but its a single usecase. The google speech system need their fucking cluster. the game AIs by google need months of training for one single game under specified conditions. I like the hype, it gives me money, but we're nowhere as far as most people think :)

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鬼殺し wrote:

I had a hankering for War Games the other day and realised it wasn't on ANY streaming service I have. So I had to nut up and buy it new. Found a 3 for 20 bluray sale and went to town. Anyway, for all its antiquated tech, the core message of that movie remains as strong as ever: yes, a machine will always play better than a human, but sometimes it has to be taught how to play smarter...

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鬼殺し wrote:

I disagree that WOPR's evolution was towards autism. If anything, it was a brief flash of empathy -- it realised that winning was not something dictated by the rules of the game but the potentially and very likely devastating outcome if you play this particular game at all. The only way to win (this game) is to not play (this game): an autistic approach would find this sort of lateral thinking incomprehensible. You can't win if you don't play, and you must win within the rules. That is how an autist would approach it.

To be clear:

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Autism: a pervasive developmental disorder of children, characterized by impaired communication, excessive rigidity, and emotional detachment: now considered one of the autism spectrum disorders. a tendency to view life in terms of one's own needs and desires.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/autist

I've highlighted the elements that reinforce my argument that WOPR's conclusion after running dozens, hundreds of simulations of Global Thermonuclear War is anything but autistic.