Well my gaming ADHD is setting in now that ive cleared all content multiple times i am going to start my next build and selling off the gear involved in this build if you need anything hit me up in game or search it on poe trade as ive went through and listed it all.
PoB: https://pastebin.com/0gX4Lq6X
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Posted byThe1ULost2#6080on Jul 9, 2019, 9:49:33 PM
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Cronewz wrote:
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vildsix wrote:
"The MOST IMPORTANT part while figuring out our gear, is to make sure our attack speed does not exceed the CoC trigger limit. CoC can trigger a spell reliably 6.06 times per second (it has a 165ms cooldown)** (increased by the "Increased Cooldown Recovery Speed" mod of at least 14% - keep reading to see why we need at least 14%)**.?"
Still cant figure this out, what exactly this means? And can we have some example pictures with numbers?
And how much is this important? - i mean, how much less dmg we actualy do, if the cdr and attack speed are "not correct?"
Thanks.
It means, that if we proc our CoC and Malice not at the server ticks, our spells could just not be counted by the server, staying only client events. Calculation is based on 30 ticks per second. So, each tick every 33 ms. CoC gem and Malice have 150 ms cooldown, but in fact each spell procs every 5 ticks (33*5 = 165 ms) or 4 ticks (33*4 = 132 ms). To reach 132 ms threshold we need atleast 14% cooldown recovery.
The formula is:
"Cooldown time needed" = "base cooldown time" * (100 / (100 + "cooldown recovery speed increase"))
150 * 100 / 114 = almost 132 ms
1 / 0.132 = 7.57 aps
So, we need to get as much closer to this aps (with 14% CDR), but not higher.
For example with 0% CDR :
7,57 APS would result in 4 procs per second
10 APS would result in 5 procs per sec.
As a reminder, with 6 APS you have 6 procs per second.
Yo do lower your DPS by having too high APS.
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Posted byNeronne#6251on Jul 10, 2019, 4:33:56 AM
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Neronne wrote:
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Cronewz wrote:
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vildsix wrote:
"The MOST IMPORTANT part while figuring out our gear, is to make sure our attack speed does not exceed the CoC trigger limit. CoC can trigger a spell reliably 6.06 times per second (it has a 165ms cooldown)** (increased by the "Increased Cooldown Recovery Speed" mod of at least 14% - keep reading to see why we need at least 14%)**.?"
Still cant figure this out, what exactly this means? And can we have some example pictures with numbers?
And how much is this important? - i mean, how much less dmg we actualy do, if the cdr and attack speed are "not correct?"
Thanks.
It means, that if we proc our CoC and Malice not at the server ticks, our spells could just not be counted by the server, staying only client events. Calculation is based on 30 ticks per second. So, each tick every 33 ms. CoC gem and Malice have 150 ms cooldown, but in fact each spell procs every 5 ticks (33*5 = 165 ms) or 4 ticks (33*4 = 132 ms). To reach 132 ms threshold we need atleast 14% cooldown recovery.
The formula is:
"Cooldown time needed" = "base cooldown time" * (100 / (100 + "cooldown recovery speed increase"))
150 * 100 / 114 = almost 132 ms
1 / 0.132 = 7.57 aps
So, we need to get as much closer to this aps (with 14% CDR), but not higher.
For example with 0% CDR :
7,57 APS would result in 4 procs per second
10 APS would result in 5 procs per sec.
As a reminder, with 6 APS you have 6 procs per second.
Yo do lower your DPS by having too high APS.
What about 15% CDR and 7+ APS?
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Posted bySChieco#6685on Jul 10, 2019, 7:50:21 AM
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What about 15% CDR and 7+ APS?
7+ procs.
If you have higher than 7,56 APS with more than 14% then you'll loose DPS again : i.e 10 APS with 14% CDR = 5 procs.
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Posted byNeronne#6251on Jul 10, 2019, 8:59:21 AM
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Neronne wrote:
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What about 15% CDR and 7+ APS?
7+ procs.
If you have higher than 7,56 APS with more than 14% then you'll loose DPS again : i.e 10 APS with 14% CDR = 5 procs.
and if 23% CDR, how much attack speed is needed?
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Posted byCBuH#1165on Jul 10, 2019, 10:31:35 AM
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23% CDR is equal to 14% since it isnt enough to reach the 3 tick proc rate (3×33ms).
So 7,56 APS
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Posted byNeronne#6251on Jul 10, 2019, 12:24:25 PM
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Neronne wrote:
23% CDR is equal to 14% since it isnt enough to reach the 3 tick proc rate (3×33ms).
So 7,56 APS
I have 38% CDR, how to calculate how much need APS? Visually from 38% CDR IceNova works faster than from 14% or 20% CDR.
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Posted byCBuH#1165on Jul 10, 2019, 3:07:15 PM
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CBuH wrote:
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Neronne wrote:
23% CDR is equal to 14% since it isnt enough to reach the 3 tick proc rate (3×33ms).
So 7,56 APS
I have 38% CDR, how to calculate how much need APS? Visually from 38% CDR IceNova works faster than from 14% or 20% CDR.
I would say 150 -(150 × 0,38) = 93
93 is bellow 99. It means you can procc every 3 ticks (99 ms).
APS needs to be lower than 1000÷99 = 10,1
So you can aim for 10 APS .
EDIT : THIS IS WRONG, SEE BELOW
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Posted byNeronne#6251on Jul 10, 2019, 4:57:06 PM
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CBuH wrote:
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Neronne wrote:
23% CDR is equal to 14% since it isnt enough to reach the 3 tick proc rate (3×33ms).
So 7,56 APS
I have 38% CDR, how to calculate how much need APS? Visually from 38% CDR IceNova works faster than from 14% or 20% CDR.
unless something's changed its always been 0 CDR or 14% CDR. The next break point is impossible to hit with current gear.
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Posted byRatedetar#0768on Jul 10, 2019, 6:17:22 PM
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I must be missing something...
Everyone talks about 14%+ CDR and 7.5 APS which seems fine and dandy.
Upon checking my stats, i barely have 2.6 APS...err...guys ? is there something wrong ?
My gear:
My talent tree (lvl 91)
https://pastebin.com/PMNeMh28 IGN: Cyanyx Last edited by Qmabyte#4414 on Jul 10, 2019, 6:49:05 PM
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Posted byQmabyte#4414on Jul 10, 2019, 6:47:41 PM
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