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This is new? 3k with fortify and 3.5k with some ES without it is pretty much the sweet spot.
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Posted byJohny_Snow#4778on Feb 10, 2021, 2:01:45 AM
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MaxEXA wrote:
I shake my head in disbelieve whenever I see players in softcore with 9K Life or 12K ES. Why the fuck do you need all that for? Are you trying to bore the bosses or yourself to death?
My witch is standing tall at a glorious 3.5K life and 1K ES, yes you read that correctly 3.5K life and 1K ES and have cleared everything in the game including the most feared The Feared Maven encounter (Shaper with elder + cortex and the rest).
Now you are shaking your head in disbelieve asking how the fuck is that possible? because if the boss or anything for that matter dies, instantly or with two hits you wont have to deal with nasty attacks/spells, the fights ends faster and you are having the most fun time.
Defense/shield/high hp/es is great early league when gear is not available but to take this stance over a month later is silly.
Wou, did you install some epic items to skip invul phases which now pretty much every endgame boss has?
It is nice that you can get shaper from 100% to 75% hp in instant, he will play another 50000attacks anyway just because bosses do what bosses do.
biggest offender is itzaro in uber lab, i take all his hp away in single attack and he will play another 10 to 30 attacks. The only reasonable phase is the last one, where smashing him hard actually ends the fight.
I would be curious if this changes depending on server, maybe for example if you play cali or texas server it might actually end the phase. do report me your findings please.
For example fastest uber elder kills are around 1minute 40second, even with all perfect rolls mirrored items and even with items from exploits that do 10x more damage than items you can currently make in league.
So i'd claim ehp is not as useless as one would like to claim, even in rituals some nasty stuff can hit you in the knee and those are time-limited not damage limited too.
What i liked to do is: Hit 100level with great ehp->drop little bit of ehp to double my damage because deaths do not matter anymore-> profit
Totally depends on the fight. You see, when they enter their invulnerability attack phase most of them are stationary. It is easy to damage them then simply retreat and wait it out. For example, you can take 1/3rd of the life of an elder guardian in an instant then watch him dance around for a couple of seconds.
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Posted byJohny_Snow#4778on Feb 10, 2021, 2:06:00 AM
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The big problem with that approach is that it leads into a trap for most people. New players see moronic claims like this one and think: "Hey i should do the same". Then, a few exalts down the line, they realize that they can't reach the 20+ mio DPS needed to just burst down endgame bosses instantly and they keep dying and dying and dying until they quit. The level of minmaxing needed to make shaper level endgame bosses melt in seconds is simply not possible for everybody. Heck most people will struggle to reach the 5+ mio needed for mapbosses. If you can do it, props to you, it's certainly the best strategy in this case. Doesn't mean it applies to everyone though.
I also don't think i wanna see the deathcount of that witch of yours, it's probably higher than that of my 3 year old standard chars.
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Posted byBaharoth15#0429on Feb 10, 2021, 2:30:35 AM
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The other side of the coin is that if you don't build for damage your farming speed will be slow. If we are talking about casuals here they won't quit because they die too much but because they are too slow to afford the gear that will truly alleviate their build.
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Posted byJohny_Snow#4778on Feb 10, 2021, 2:45:39 AM
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I shake my head in disbelieve whenever I see players in softcore with 9K Life or 12K ES. Why the fuck do you need all that for? Are you trying to bore the bosses or yourself to death?
My witch is standing tall at a glorious 3.5K life and 1K ES, yes you read that correctly 3.5K life and 1K ES and have cleared everything in the game including the most feared The Feared Maven encounter (Shaper with elder + cortex and the rest).
Now you are shaking your head in disbelieve asking how the fuck is that possible? because if the boss or anything for that matter dies, instantly or with two hits you wont have to deal with nasty attacks/spells, the fights ends faster and you are having the most fun time.
Defense/shield/high hp/es is great early league when gear is not available but to take this stance over a month later is silly.
The trick is to increase your defences without sacrificing the offence. That's how you min-max a character, not by slapping some crap gear together to get a bit of damage, like you did.
And if you want to stay true to your 'logic', then replace that belt with something that gives more dps.
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Posted byarandan#3174on Feb 10, 2021, 2:47:47 AM
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The other side of the coin is that if you don't build for damage your farming speed will be slow. If we are talking about casuals here they won't quit because they die too much but because they are too slow to afford the gear that will truly alleviate their build.
You can oneshot pretty much everything in tier 16 maps with 1-2 mio DPS if you skip the map boss, which you should anyway if you value efficiency. Besides, farmspeed is mostly limited by AOE, movementspeed and how strict your lootfilter is, not by dps. If you are playing SSF and have to pick up scrolls of wisdom from time to time, even 200 mio dps won't help your farming speed. I also dare say that the ability to make lots of currency in a league, doesn't depend on farm speed as much as it depends on the knowledge of what will sell for good prices at what point of the league. You won't get real rich 2 months into the league by farming maps. The rich guys get where they are within the first 1-2 weeks from what i've seen.
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Posted byBaharoth15#0429on Feb 10, 2021, 2:52:26 AM
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Except map bosses drop elder/shaper guardian maps. Elder fragments are rather valuable. If you don't kill map bosses you are intentionally gimping yourself.
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Posted byJohny_Snow#4778on Feb 10, 2021, 3:02:47 AM
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The trick is to increase your defences without sacrificing the offence. That's how you min-max a character, not by slapping some crap gear together to get a bit of damage, like you did.
And if you want to stay true to your 'logic', then replace that belt with something that gives more dps.
Yes.
But you see what you're saying requires actual competence in character building. A skill that is practically nonexistent for most players. So the next best thing they know to do is go full glass cannon dps. Which then they start wondering why they always get 1 shot. Which then prompts them to believe dps is the only real defense so they go even harder on dps.
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Posted byyamface#1022on Feb 10, 2021, 3:11:19 AM
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its sensible to play this way but its also a design failure on GGGs part
This.
Also powergamers and GGG trying to balance around their playing style (=most posters here) have killed this game over the years.
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Posted byvmt80#6169on Feb 10, 2021, 5:14:54 AM
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I shake my head in disbelieve whenever I see players in softcore with 9K Life or 12K ES. Why the fuck do you need all that for? Are you trying to bore the bosses or yourself to death?
My witch is standing tall at a glorious 3.5K life and 1K ES, yes you read that correctly 3.5K life and 1K ES and have cleared everything in the game including the most feared The Feared Maven encounter (Shaper with elder + cortex and the rest).
Now you are shaking your head in disbelieve asking how the fuck is that possible? because if the boss or anything for that matter dies, instantly or with two hits you wont have to deal with nasty attacks/spells, the fights ends faster and you are having the most fun time.
Defense/shield/high hp/es is great early league when gear is not available but to take this stance over a month later is silly.
You do realise that your 3k hp build can be much much tankier than 21k ES build?
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Posted bygageris#1266on Feb 10, 2021, 7:07:30 AM
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