Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

buff harvest pls... rly

Hey GGG remember this post for 3.16. If you want to retain players...

i don't see GGG reversing anything related to the harvest nerf. they have even removed it from the map device. even with the sheer amount of feedback against the nerf, GGG killed harvest.

flasks get nerfed and a LOT of supporters complained and flasks got changed a little. but, flask nerf also got 2 currency spots in currency stash tab. which to me, means most of that nerf is permanent. this only happened i think because GGG can't handle another player count drop.

harvest is sadly gone for me as i've not seen a single one spawn so far in this league.

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spaceace7373 wrote:

i don't see GGG reversing anything related to the harvest nerf. they have even removed it from the map device. even with the sheer amount of feedback against the nerf, GGG killed harvest.

flasks get nerfed and a LOT of supporters complained and flasks got changed a little. but, flask nerf also got 2 currency spots in currency stash tab. which to me, means most of that nerf is permanent. this only happened i think because GGG can't handle another player count drop.

harvest is sadly gone for me as i've not seen a single one spawn so far in this league.

Man I fuckin miss Harvest. I've barely even played since this manifesto was announced, it was that demoralizing.

Harvest was the aspirational content and the chase items the game needed. You've never managed to make another thing that felt like progress. All the items you were afraid of happened after all the content was exhausted anyway so what did it matter?

"Get rolled Reddit" - Chris Wilson, 2021.

I don't know if something like this has been suggested before, but what about the introduction of a new Orb (I know, GGG is always up for that ;) )that would modify an item similar to a Vaal Orb, but instead of corrupting the item, it would personalize it to the character/account, making it untradable with other players. Then GGG could just bring back all these fun Harvest crafts but for the best craft there could be a limitation that they can only be used on personalized items.
This would prohibit trading of the very strong crafts, which is the main problem, GGG has with Harvest, I guess.

Introduction of a new orb would also allow introduction of new implicit mods, similar to the vaal implicits but something more related to crafting. For example altering the chances to get specific mods or hgher/lower mod tiers, whatssoever. Orb could be used more than once, rerolling imlicit each time so you could spam them until you get what you need to hav best chances to craft your item. Orb could be quite rare though, on a level of Divine Orb

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Zottelfisch wrote:

I don't know if something like this has been suggested before, but what about the introduction of a new Orb (I know, GGG is always up for that ;) )that would modify an item similar to a Vaal Orb, but instead of corrupting the item, it would personalize it to the character/account, making it untradable with other players. Then GGG could just bring back all these fun Harvest crafts but for the best craft there could be a limitation that they can only be used on personalized items.
This would prohibit trading of the very strong crafts, which is the main problem, GGG has with Harvest, I guess.

Introduction of a new orb would also allow introduction of new implicit mods, similar to the vaal implicits but something more related to crafting. For example altering the chances to get specific mods or hgher/lower mod tiers, whatssoever. Orb could be used more than once, rerolling imlicit each time so you could spam them until you get what you need to hav best chances to craft your item. Orb could be quite rare though, on a level of Divine Orb

Mr Chis Wilson does not like something not being tradable... As all PoE is balanced around trade, that won't happen anytime soon.

I just hope that they realise, that some deterministic crafting (similar to what Last Epoch does) won't kill the game...

I would like them to realise that players who love PoE won't quit the game because they finished a character and instead will get back to square one with another build in mind.

My only problem now, is the time needed to "finish" a character...

How about soul-binding the deterministic crafted items for like a few hours or days. It is simple.
The spawn balance in 3.13 was reasonable to keep us long if they are not tradable in TFT or something.
With harvest, ppl would keep playing just for fun. I think this is the retention that we all want. Making things time consuming is not like that.

If it was just a matter of gambling with currency, I wouldn't be so disheartened from the removal of Harvestcrafting, but...

For people like me who want to play off-meta builds, we often need a few specific combinations of stuff on our gear to make the puzzle fit together, and without harvest crafts (Targeted exalts/annuls, etc) I'm no longer able to combo the stuff I used to, whether I have unlimited currency or not.

The fact that I can't even find/buy/create the gear I want to play with anymore is a real shame, as I had a lot of fun with the newer endgame content (maven, etc) which I would now have to resort to something more cookie-cutter/FOTM just to have the power level to handle.

I've barely played since the removal of harvest, and I will likely not return for more than the odd week or two per league, tops, until a way to create the FUN gear I want to play with is available again.

They already have separate leagues for SSF and HC; why not make an additional version of the challenge leagues for those who want to play with Harvest gear? I don't even care if it goes to the void at league end.

I miss you, PoE. I really do.