Streamer priority confirmed. PoE is free to play, so play it for free, but Boycott GGG.

To me this lapse in integrity degrades the E-Sports aspect of PoE. If GGG is willing to put their thumb on the scale for allowing easier access to servers, it’s not so outrageous to think that they can add priority to drops for certain accounts as well.

Also if their business model has switched to producing compelling drama filled streams what’s to stop them from hitting a button and one-shoting a popular racer early to add the tension of a come from behind victory. Or to just flat out eliminate a non-streamer at a key point in a race.

How can we trust that a timely six-link or key build making unique dropping in a 50 hour play session wasn’t produced for television? If GGG can manipulate access they can manipulate just about anything that happens in their world.

What has happened here shatters the illusion that the servers are a fair and level playing field and that any of the events that are associated with money or prizes could be scripted as easily as professional wrestling match.

Actions like streamer’s skipping a queue is as bad as allowing professional athletes to gamble money on the outcomes of the sports that they play. In this case it wasn’t’ a group of rogue players that tried to get away with it, but the commissioner of the sport itself.

I am not angry at what GGG has done I am just disappointed. Be better. Have integrity and own when you have screwed up and not in some spin doctor post. Actions when you have the agency to make things right speak louder and resonate more than empty rhetoric.

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NeoG wrote:

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johnKeys wrote:

Sadly, have to agree with Phrazz and Charan here.

All the good intentions fly out of the window when you get caught fucking up so badly.
Preparing "priority servers", labeling player accounts to know which ones belong to Streamers... all indicate an approach which is advertisment at the expense of the players.
Only Chris knows what kind of other benefits or tricks have been implemented to that end.

That's not the GGG from 7-8 years ago...

hahaha finally you wake up

I'm a long time fan so to me this feels more like a nightmare than a wake up call.

Old PoE was brutal Communism - it didn't matter if you are Kripp the Streamer or Charan the mega-supporter.
You got to be an unpaid Alpha tester or an unpaid Forum moderator, but the moment you log into the main game, there are no "skip the line" tickets and no special treatment. Everyone gets fucked by RNG.
Equally.
I complained about RNG quite a bit back then, but at least it leveled the playing field.

Now... I don't know.
I really don't know what implications my account has for not having a Streamer tag in PoE code, and I would be happy if GGG clarify this with a wall of text manifesto.

They able to give players handicaps so why i should play game where certain people get better loot chance/drops? bet tis is tencent doing. cant trust anymore GGG 100%.

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johnKeys wrote:

it didn't matter if you are Kripp the Streamer or Charan the mega-supporter.
You got to be an unpaid Alpha tester or an unpaid Forum moderator, but the moment you log into the main game, there are no "skip the line" tickets and no special treatment. Everyone gets fucked by RNG.
Equally.
I complained about RNG quite a bit back then, but at least it leveled the playing field.

Now... I don't know.

Too fucking right.

I still believe this was a one-off desperation move (triggered by 100% arrogance and overconfidence in their own system) but I do not blame anyone now for wondering, just wondering...maybe it wasn't. Maybe this business of making sure certain well-watched streams remained well-watched wasn't entirely dictated by RNG, or whatever approximation of RNG we have [Removed by Support]

On my life, I swear i will never support vile companies such as GGG and streamers that were given advantages and cheated at launch.

My word is my bond.

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saucefar2 wrote:

On my life, I swear i will never support vile companies such as GGG and streamers that were given advantages and cheated at launch.

My word is my bond.

i also promise never again spend money to POE. Tencent need to go.

Seems like we're all gonna need to review the ToS' - they are going By-The-Book all of a sudden on GGG criticism.

Why was he put on probation, anyway? Wow, an Alpha member run into bad bllod with GGG.

If the Streamers had the same RNG as I have, watching would be pretty boring.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

what this post was in response to directly was the idea that ggg trying to make money, and doing things to make money, is inherently immoral, out of order and a betrayal of us all. its not, at all.

Well in the spirit of this thread I think it's perfectly within order to say that if someone feels like a 'second class player' they may be wise to treat the game in kind. That's reasonable reciprocity.

i havent told anyone they shouldnt stop supporting GGG or that they shouldnt be majorly pissed over this incident in this thread. what I said was addressing specific rants being made by someone, accusations and character attacks that were being made. that person has deleted those entire multiparagraph posts from the thread so you cant read them, take from that what you will about how sound the things being said in them were. my posts are still there, and i stand by every word.

what ive been saying hasnt been moral judgements, i havent said they were right in what they did, that its ok, that there should be no comeback, that anyone is wrong to be outraged. I am outraged, the second i found out i came to the forum and some serious swearing was thrown out on the issue, i was fking pissed man, steamy ears business, it was totally unacceptable.






but lets take a moment here, ive not been expressing my moral take, ive been explaining the cold logic that flys in the face of some pretty serious character attacks being made against the heads of GGG. im gonna now give you my moral take, which i havent been doing up to now.




you know what? a couple of times i have said some totally unacceptable things on these forums too. ive been put on probation for absolutely bullshit before, but a couple of times i really did deserve it because i said some things that were not ok. weve all had moments in our lives when we made a choice to do something in a moment and the choice we made was a terrible one.


the call that was made in that moment to allow a queue skip in order to not waste the money that had been spent on showcasing the game was a terrible one. theres no getting off the hook, theres no taking it back, it cant be excused and brushed aside, theres no forgetting it, it was a terrible decision.

but if were gonna be fair we have to acknowledge that it was a decision made in an extremely stressful moment. a lot of money, money you and me have donated to this game, was on the line. this was an extremely important launch for GGG and it was going up in flames, fully panic mode engaged. in this moment chris, who had put our donation money on the line to try and boost the game, had to make a call and he made a really bad call.







i think by now we know a bit about chris, we think we know him to some extent. we have 1000s of calls, actions, interactions with which we can judge chris as a guy. this is 1 thing to add to that list. everyone can decide for themselves what they think of him, but if were gonna judge him then we owe it to him to judge him by the totality of the last 8 years, not by those couple of minutes making a call in a moment of panic. this is the guy who need the einhar actor to spend 10 minutes doing crowd work at the start of exilecon because he was so nervous he was having a mild panic attack out back and couldnt go on stage...


some people in this thread have a very cynical and even harsh take on him. thats their right, theyre entitled to it.


my personal take is that he is a genuine human being, like any human being he makes mistakes, he has some bad takes (nerf headhunter btw), but I believe that he is a nice guy who has tried to do what he thinks is best in the vast majority of cases. i fully respect him and have a lot of love for him, and i have love for most of you regular guys too, even the ones i disagree with at times like charan.

mistakes were made, ive made them, youve made them, chris made a bad one and hes paying for it right now, the game will pay for it and in that sense as players we will all pay for it. i dont have that kind of pressure on me, neither do you guys, when we fuck up its a bad post that upsets a dev or a fellow player, it doesnt harm the entire game. thats a lot of pressure, a lot of comeback. im not saying forget it or think its ok, im just saying theres a human being here who made a mistake, at its core thats what happened here and if were gonna make judgements then thats what we should be making those judgements on. if your opinion is still nuke from orbit just to be sure then ok man, thats your call.


personally mine as one flawed human being to another is to forgive and move on, lifes too short. if chris was here now id give him a big bear hug and tell him everything will be ok, because thats what the chris i think i know deserves as a human being, and id do the same for charan who i believe is acting here in what he believes is his moral duty as a genuine guy who cares, and it hurts me to disagree with the guy because i feel a kindship and a respect for him.