Streamer priority confirmed. PoE is free to play, so play it for free, but Boycott GGG.

So what is the point for the feedback section on this forum to be exist if they just rage quit ? They telling what they think about the game and that is not wrong in any case. You like the current state of the game? Go ahead play it. Why bother with them here and get more stress ?
You just bump this thread to the top again anyway.

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heoco115 wrote:

So what is the point for the feedback section on this forum to be exist if they just rage quit ? They telling what they think about the game and that is not wrong in any case. You like the current state of the game? Go ahead play it. Why bother with them here and get more stress ?
You just bump this thread to the top again anyway.

Clearly you didn't read an inch of what I wrote. I said if they wanna complain, that's perfectly fine. I don't have any issues with the players complaining about the changes, and saying the game is harder and having constructive conversations about it all. Being all sorts of butthurt like GGG insulted their great great ancestors with 3.15 or being so salty to the point that they need to boycott GGG or making a thread with them feeling the need to say goodbye is just pointless. You don't like the changes, go ahead and complain about it and/or leave the game.

Like you really didn't bother reading my comment at all did you

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V3n05 wrote:

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heoco115 wrote:

So what is the point for the feedback section on this forum to be exist if they just rage quit ? They telling what they think about the game and that is not wrong in any case. You like the current state of the game? Go ahead play it. Why bother with them here and get more stress ?
You just bump this thread to the top again anyway.

Clearly you didn't read an inch of what I wrote. I said if they wanna complain, that's perfectly fine. I don't have any issues with the players complaining about the changes, and saying the game is harder and having constructive conversations about it all. Being all sorts of butthurt like GGG insulted their great great ancestors with 3.15 or being so salty to the point that they need to boycott GGG or making a thread with them feeling the need to say goodbye is just pointless. You don't like the changes, go ahead and complain about it and/or leave the game.

Like you really didn't bother reading my comment at all did you

Speaking of, did you read the OP? It seems like you're talking to multiple sets of people at the same time - people "quitting" over 3.15 direction, people who make threads about quitting, and people "boycotting" over streamer priority. Why? One of those things is not like the other, and I believe you'd see that if you read the first few pages.

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I gave feedback on D3 for months but eventually it became clear that they were making the game they wanted to make, not the one I wished they would make. So I left. We have posters who have been here for 5+ years not playing the game endlessly talking about all the mistakes being made. Those are the folks that have transcended feedback to have become something else.

I would appreciate people not trying to derail this thread by making it about game balance decisions. While there is some tangential connection between an increase pandering to popular streamers and shifts in game balance I think it irrelevant to discuss here unless it can be directly connected to a known and verifiable move by GGG to give streamers an advantage over so called regular players. I do not see anything in 3.15 to indicate that was the intention.

Equally it is inappropriate to post here that anyone is choosing not to support GGG because of said balance or design changes.

There are plenty of other spaces on these boards for that sort of discussion.

Thank you in advance.

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Getting back to that earlier analogy regarding a particularly unpleasant fellating, this is why I cannot play PoE ever again. No matter how good it gets, no matter how hard they try to recapture that ole closed beta magic, I would be unable to forget who owns the game, and what the people owned by those who own the game have done to make their dues. It was hard enough when you'd get regularly "first" global notifications early into a league, but how could one possibly forget now? Even just seeing Twilight Strand would remind me that certain PoE users who make GGG plenty of money were given access to that area well before others...for no reason I'd consider acceptable.

I try hard to divorce problematic creator and their profound creations -- I'm a recovering literary academic -- but in this case, creator and creation are almost impossible to separate. Partly because it's the only thing the creator has done, but mostly because the creation was so profound because of how praiseworthy the creators were. PoE *is* its ethical deviation from most f2p games, even now. GGG are nothing without PoE. That's pretty much their decision and it's one they're doubling down on by making PoE "2" out of the creaky planks of PoE "1". Tarnish GGG and you tarnish PoE.

This is, of course, assuming a person ever cared about that relationship to begin with. If a person's only concern is the delivery of the game, well that's fine. GGG exists merely to facilitate that for such people. But if PoE represents more than just that, and I imagine this is so for those who were around to watch it defy the odds despite being so gosh darned ethical, then it has to matter, this breach of trust. And the weird non apology that followed it. And the fact that we don't know what else that decision might presage.

Forgive if you must or can, but don't forget. It's when you forget that they know they can get away with it again.

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V3n05 wrote:

I don't have any issues with the players complaining about the changes

Your recent post history would say otherwise, you seem to be doing nothing else other than complain about people complaining about the changes these days, quite a few threads i've seen you in now doing this.

I'm complaining about people saying the same shit and threatening to leave. No one gives a flying fuck about you wanting to leave. Threatening to leave the game ain't gonna do shit. Just leave. Complaining just for the sake of complaining won't do shit. Having constructive conversations might get somewhere

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V3n05 wrote:

Nah. It's too easy to just not play the game because it's become too difficult for these people. They need to feel like they're just as important in the influence of the game as the streamers, so they take to Reddit and they take to the forums to voice their complaints and their need to boycott.....

Had to cut down the post as it was too bloaty.

I think the game being too difficult is an entirely different statement from it not being enjoyable. I myself quit 4 days after launch of this league, still waiting for them to give us back the QoL options we had prior to this patch.

Making the game more difficult could have been achieved in several ways without the gameplay feeling worse. (my opinion)

Look at the goatmen, the change to them made them definitely more lethal and challenging /unless you ran temp chains slowing down their leapslam lol
- but with the flask change they chose to make the leveling part (the thing we did 200times or so before, which for me at least feels like the league start tedium I want to get over with ASAP, way more sluggish. Worse flasks with less charges and nerfed mobility gems.

Act 1, the imo MOST DIFFICULT ACT with one of the strongest bosses (cold damage and stuns) I mean sure. I can deal with that rather easily, worst case just get like 1-2more levels.
The decision to change the difficulty of powerlevel wise the hardest act, which already is the first thing a new player sees, I cannot fathom. Why would the tutorial be harder than 90% of the story?

If it had just stopped at bloating the time spent finishing the story, I would have been able to cope with it.

But then they touched the ailments.... oh boy that is big. I am fine with not being ailment immune and the "challenge" of having to time my immunities using flasks, if they had made a proper approach of them not having 100% uptime.

But giving the flasks those weird threshholds which a lot of the time accomplish nothing makes them feel super awkward. Using a "heat" just to be freezelocked a second later in a +cold damage enviroment or against certain mob types just feels terrible.

Another approach would have been to leave the flasks outside of their charge rate untouched or giving them a cooldown. That way you could get those 5 seconds freeze immunity when you really need it, even if you only would have an uptime of a flasks 5 out of 20 seconds it would have been available when you need it while actually doing something.

Flasks right now just feel really BAD, a lot of the allready underperforming skillgems feel nigh unplayable, hell I had so much fun with a spellslinger in 3.11 and now it feels way less enjoyable, whether it has been too strong before or not, making the game feel less enjoyable cannot be the correct approach for a balance change.

If one does not enjoy a game, one should stop playing it. That is the solution I found for myself

The irony of not seeing that complaining about people complaining is people complaining. Oh that's real.

The trick to "fighting fire with fire" is figuring out how to expose the initial fire as nothing but another combustible arterial and then reducing it to ash. Fail to do that and you're just strengthening the fire you're trying to fight.


Oh well. I did ask that people not derail; can't do anything more than that.

One more bump in the path, eh.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

The irony of not seeing that complaining about people complaining is people complaining. Oh that's real.

I agree. It is why I try not to complain about people complaining about people complaining. However, I'll make an exception in this case for the amusement value.


I hereby officially complain about V3n05 complaining about people complaining.

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

The irony of not seeing that complaining about people complaining is people complaining. Oh that's real.

I agree. It is why I try not to complain about people complaining about people complaining. However, I'll make an exception in this case for the amusement value.


I hereby officially complain about V3n05 complaining about people complaining.

Please tell me I can give you an award for your incredible feat of intelligent originality. Very impressive. Consider me astounded