Game Balance in Siege of the Atlas

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Droch_Rendger wrote:

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koskesh539 wrote:

not really. they added higher tiers to the flat dmg on the weapons, also the lower tiers got upped but quite a bit to compensate for the dmg loss on the gem. so no, they do not force u to get +1 on ur wand.

But if I don't add flat damage on the Wand my build will be weaker than before!

Added Cold/Lightning/Chaos gem changes:
Awakened Added Lightning Damage Support: Supported Skills now have 21 to 391 added Lightning Damage at gem level 1 (previously 23 to 445), up to 24 to 449 at gem level 5 (previously 29 to 543).

Spell added damage weapon mods:
1 added Lightning Damage to Spells now provides values of 7-20 to 255-270 on two-handed Weapons (previously 5-15 to 189-200), and 4-14 to 170-179 on one-handed Weapons (previously 3-10 to 126-133).

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TOTAL DAMAGE NERFS

Old setup without flat on the wand
min: 0 + 29 = 29
max: 0 + 543 = 543
avg: (29 + 543 / 2) = 286

Old setup with flat on the wand
min: 10 + 29 = 39
max: 133 + 543 = 676
avg: (39 + 676) / 2 = 357.5

New setup without flat on the wand
min: 0 + 24 = 24 (-17.2%)
max: 0 + 449 = 449 (-17.3%)
avg: (24 + 449) / 2 = 236.5 (-17.3%)

New setup with flat on the wand
min: 14 + 24 = 38 (-2.6%)
max: 179 + 449 = 628 (-7.1%)
avg: (38 + 628) = 333 (-6.9%)

We have lost about 17% of damage in average without flat on the Wand and 7% with flat on the Wand

It is straight nerf even with the Tier 1 Flat damage on the Wand with the top possible roll. So even I can manage to craft +2 Wand with the flat tier 1 it's still worse than in 3.16. It looks like nerf for casuals who don't care and don't do the math.

-17% dmg without wand and -7% with wand, OKAY.

YES THIS IS A BUFF (C)

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koskesh539 wrote:

good, now include the buffs to the gems to ur calculation.

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MrSparkle001 wrote:

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rekikyo wrote:

Just linking Multiple Totems literally brings you from 1 totem to 3.
Tree has another 1.
Templar has another 1.

That's 5.

Back 6 or so leagues ago the number was 2-3.

There is a shield mod that can give +1. I've never used it. Soul Mantle was always good enough. 5 totems is what you had to settle for if you didn't have your Soul Mantle yet, but once you did and you acquired your other items your totem build suddenly shot up in damage and could be considered good enough for some late game content.

Losing that +1 totem is a pretty big nerf to Soul Mantle. Now all it really does is free up a gem slot in exchange for having to negate the cursing. Nobody will use it now.

It went from a unique that was often a required part of a totem build to a unique only good for vendoring or just leaving on the ground.

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Droch_Rendger wrote:

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koskesh539 wrote:

good, now include the buffs to the gems to ur calculation.

Well, considering mentioned buff, the picture looks better:

Lightning Trap

Old setup without wand:
min: (0 + 29) * 1.7 + 466 = 515.3
max: (0 + 543) * 1.7 + 1399 = 2,322.1
avg: (515.3 + 2,322.1 / 2) = 1,418.6

Old setup with flat on the wand
min: (10 + 29) * 1.7 + 466 = 532.3
max: (133 + 543) * 1.7 + 1399 = 2,548.2
avg: (532.3 + 2,548.2) / 2 = 1,540.3

New setup without flat on the wand
min: (0 + 24) * 2.4 + 659 = 716.6 (+39%)
max: (0 + 449) * 2.4 + 1978 = 3,055.6 (+32%)
avg: (716.6 + 3,055.6) / 2 = 1,886.1 (+33%)

New setup with flat on the wand
min: (14 + 24) * 2.4 + 659 = 750.2 (+41%)
max: (179 + 449) * 2.4 + 1978 = 3,485.2 (+37%)
avg: (750.2 + 3,485.2) = 2,117.7 (+37%)

It takes into account Effectiveness of Added Damage and direct buff to the Spell. The DPS has been buffed more than 33% comparing to 3.16...

HM. Okay! I take my words back. THIS IS A BUFF not "THIS IS A BUFF(C)" anymore :)

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alex_disp wrote:

Nobody will use it? So having a 7-link is worse than 6-link? Maybe if you have +1 curse +1 gems +spell crit body armor it would compete, but usually adding 1 link is a big damage buff, and mitigating curses is almost easy as pie now. Soul Mantle just went from mandatory Spell totem build enabler to a good early-to-mid game item, but it's still better than most 6-links out there.

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Chill wrote:

GGG isn't angering "the playerbase", they are angering the vocal minority at most.
It's good to give feedback, but raging helps nobody.
They have earned some trust to not completely fuck the game over and stick to their vision, even if it is not always the popular opinion.
Trying to cater to everybody can quickly destroy the direction of the game and make it a game with no clear target audience where everyone loses.