The next months will dictate how GGG will really handle the nature of this game

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Snorkle_uk#0761 wrote:

but really the big overall picture imo i just think mobs are a bit too fast?

Some of them definitely are and also some of the PoE 1 league mechanics like delirium and breach require way too much clearspeed to do properly.

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C4Guy#0918 wrote:

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Snorkle_uk#0761 wrote:

but really the big overall picture imo i just think mobs are a bit too fast?

Some of them definitely are and also some of the PoE 1 league mechanics like delirium and breach require way too much clearspeed to do properly.

yeah for sure

if Poe2 ends up going back in the direction of Poe1, it's because of how badly designed the game is in relation to it's gameplay philosophy.

First they'll try to pivot into Poe2 style, they'll have to massively change enemy speed, density and behaviour, maps should probably be a fraction of thier sizes. Every overpowered build will be nuked to enforce the "correct" way to play, everything balanced around long mace attack animations and slow cast animations like lightning conduit.

Every time new content is released, about 10 new jungroan builds will have to be nuked. this often results in lower end builds getting damaged aswell, Just like what happened with cast on X skills, compared to Poe1 it seems they really don't want powerful automated skills like cast on X, totem support, hextouch ect. unfortunately this is where most of poe1s build creativity came from, even if it resulted in mindless high clear speed builds, it's still satisfying to theorycraft those builds. Adding cast on X and then nerfing them into the ground is worse than not having them at all. now they take up ui space and become a trap for new players, confusing their expectations.

Over nerfing whilst intended to increase build diversity, has the opposite effect (see Helldivers 2). Everyone just ends up leaning towards whichever few skills still feel comfortable, because they feel they don't have enough power any other way, eventually the player base gets bored or frustrated and leaves.

I think Poe2's current philosophy is doomed. Reworking and rethinking everything to enforce the "correct" playstyle will be too much work, and even if successful will result in incredibly heavy nerf policing and and painfully little room for creativity. In the end GGG will realize perhaps spitefully the "VISION" isn't going to work, and we'll get poe 1.5. not because of people complaining, simply because of the devs lack of foresight. That's my theory anyway

One initial thought that may defend the other (the 2 reps from GGG of the interview) side perhaps...their remarks were quite intentional (despite the lack of empathy), and it was in doing so for the best for the future, i.e. prepare those that think there will be change and that it will be diff from PoE1 (end-game/mapping) but he already knows it's a lost cause (currently leaning towards they are in-the-know re. general community sentiments [and perhaps there really is nothing they can/will do]). However, playing devil's advocate, given the past history of PoE1 and what many others have said for their track record - this also isn't anything new in a way...so perhaps this is again no different, and history repeats itself once again (in due time).

To re-iterate (TLDR): post-interview, (personally) my current (until more data arrives from the community/YT/forums/Reddit/etc) bet will side on past history, i.e. "melee < ranged" and "zoom zoom 1-shot" -- so, no real changes from PoE1, essentially (with the main outlier of the campaign for the 1st ~60 lvls or so...lol --- and new melee classes like Druid/Templar/Marauder...lol [bye Warrior...lol {I don't count Monk...lol -- nor minion/Witch...lol}]) -- and timing-wise, I'll just say 2026+ (so, guessing 1 more year of gamedev until full Release post-this EA).

(Post this interview w/ the 2 GGG reps, I just decided to bite the bullet and re-rolled Monk [finally?] for SSF [felt the additional handicap of SSF would help Balance it out...lol. {Merc lvl ~64, Witch lvl 21, Warrior lvl 66 -- considering trying out the Quarterstaff for my Merc -- Re-spec Again...lol -- and yes, will still be on the lookout for future Druid/Templar/Marauder...lol}])