1 shot is just lazy game design

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Tumulten#3988 wrote:
Bosses need to have mechanics, that is what makes them interesting.
You have way more than 1/2 second to react. You are supposed to start reacting when you see the boss jump up in the air not when you see the red circle from him coming down again.

Without one shots people could just heal up all the damage and learning any mechanics would be completely pointless.


do souls games need to 1-shot you just because you can always heal up?

why try to defend bad design?
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Tumulten#3988 wrote:
Bosses need to have mechanics, that is what makes them interesting.
You have way more than 1/2 second to react. You are supposed to start reacting when you see the boss jump up in the air not when you see the red circle from him coming down again.

Without one shots people could just heal up all the damage and learning any mechanics would be completely pointless.


do souls games need to 1-shot you just because you can always heal up?

why try to defend bad design?


In soul games you have very limited amount of healing.

why try to defend bad idea and players that don't want to learn mechanics?
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Climet#7103 wrote:
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Toforto#2372 wrote:

PoE 1 bosses do have voicelines for attacks?

And yeah, lets just add 50 billion """noob filters""" so we end up with a dead game that has about the same player numbers as Ruthless. Seems like a great idea to quickly sink this game lol

What is with this elitism around this game? It's not a soulslike, it never will be. It's not """difficult""", its just tedious and extremely punishing. There's 0 skill involved in this game, only time commitment and copying guides while getting lucky. Those are all the things you need to "git gud" at PoE 2.


Learn to be articulate puppy, PoE2 also has voice lines, and it is more telegraphed. Point was, oneshot mechanics aren't a new concept with PoE2.

No one cares about player numbers, if you do, then stick to buttom smasher games like CS:GO, Marvel Rivals. My statement of "Noob filter" was supposed to instill, 1) You are not adapting to the required skills for the fight, existed in PoE1 since Shaper/Elder fights, 2) You are not building properly, namely enough defences, damage, mobility, or having and using mobility skills.
If you can't abide by these basic requisites, then stick to Diablo, LE, oh wait, even LE has one shot bosses.

Elitism? What's up with the irrational screeching with this game? Why are you screeching? Whenever I am in the forum I see your name along with a thoughtless negative comment, take a break.
The game is "punishing" and that is what it makes it a game, I don't know how many games you have played, but this trope of punishment is what makes a game, a game.
None of your concerns are constructive, the game almost INFINITE problems, and its warranteed, it's EA, not even finished, some core mechanics(league mechanics and maps) are completely unfinished, but I don't see you ever giving meticulous Feedback on that, all I see is you being a robot.


Nah, the game is bad because its bad and it sucks. Its punishing, its a waste of time and it requires 0 skill. Its also boring and it encourages boring playstyles because of it being overly punishing. Punishments aren't required and there are many great games out there that don't delete hours of your time on death, this is some leftover outdated design from MMOs. A game is supposed to be fun, not whatever Ruthless vision bs this game is lmao, its anything but fun.

Stop blaming the players for bad game design, "your build sucks" and "skill issue" aren't excuses that work for a game being bad. Nor is "this is early access". All of these are objective facts.
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Hecktoor#2386 wrote:

500 k players and now its around 250 k.
50 % less in a huge game like that, is way to much.


Yeah, wrong again, this is what happens when you are in bad faith. 50% Retention is among the best of Path of Exile 1s performance, also it doesn't really work like that, "peak" doesn't really work, when you compare anomalies to best case.
For example: Path of Exile 2 had a 62% retention rate on its first 31 days, this is higher than the last 16 leagues from PoE1(until metamorph, which had a 62.4% retention) Settlers had 36.9% retention and Affliction 53.8%(highest after metamorph). All day 31, ofc. Metamorph was released on December 2019, for context.

I would've typed a lot more, but I am on a silly, laggy, mobile.
This is why I am trying out what I call the Picollo build... where I just dodge everything. Get Evasion rating to the MAX, and the notable that lets you evade ALL hits for a loss of evasion rating (not sure if it is permanent or a one time calc, need to play with it a bit more). Literally lagged at one point in the trial of the sekhemas for like 10 seconds straight with a mob shooting shit at me, and took 0 dmg. Only problem is, evasion and armor both have MAD DR once you get past 50%. which is kind of stupid how fast that DR scales, since it is not based on level but based on how much you already have.
I love playing tanks but they are too much punished this game

they are slower to clear so they have less currency and they must deal with enemy skills because of lower dmg done.

best defence in this game is playing glass canon and clear everything before it reaches your screen...

this shit tankiness was in Poe1 and in Po2 its even worse...





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I am 4k hp
80% armour
75% ress in all 4 res

I run 2h mace and shield with raise shield ability
I found an iron citadel and put a T15 map in it
Came to the Count boss

Got him to the phase where he changes to the wolf
I know damage could be incomming so I raise my shield up
A big red circle spawns on me bigger than I have any chance of moving out of and within ½ a second the wolf lands on me

Instant one shot with all the above defences and raised shield up

It just feels bad
SKILL ISSUE
GIT GUT
And all the other 12 year old teenage boys comments aside
It just feels bad and I feel like my time is wasted

I LOVE this game, but if this is the intended design I am afraid that this will be the deciding factor of my longivity in this game

Oh wait I could just play meta only or broken ES spec right?

Or we could stop doing lazy 1 shot mechanics design, so all classes, also non ES classes/specs could enjoy the endgame how about that?



You have plenty of time to run out of that circle.

Giving feedback about you finding the game too difficult is fine, but please try to be more accurate. Everyone does this boss in the campaign, so we all know that its possible to avoid his jumping attack. So you stating that its impossible just devalues your opinion and also prevents you from getting better at the game because instead of focusing on learning the attack and improving youve convinced yourself that its "unavoidable" and that its a game design flaw.
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You have plenty of time to run out of that circle.


Not always. If there are other mechanics going on, you might not be able to move at all. Given how tough it is just to get to these bosses, it might behoove GGG to NOT give them one-shot mechanics, or at least ensure that the one shots are the only mechanic going on, so if you see all other mechanics start to clear you know to look for safe spots.

Or they need to implement many more mobility skills and give them the range to clear those circles, because right now? none of them do so the only way to get clear is to build at least 25% MS.
Its become a trend to just call anything a player doesnt like,"bad game design" now. Not saying it isnt always true, but its just become the de facto hyperbole at this point that it has lost its meaning.

I personally dont think 1 shots are bad game design if its telegraphed enough for the player to react. That move is pretty well telegraphed bv the howling animation and then a jump into the air that gives you ample time to move if you were paying attention to the animation.
1 death per map
-10% xp loss
map loss
loot loss


GGG lacks innovation. Nothing feels fresh or updated versions. All lesser versions of their counterparts in end game.

laziness is around every turn and it's clear there's a lack of motivation to entice players. Why make a "2" if it was all the same nonesense

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