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This is all i need to read to know it´s completely pointless to even try to have a reasonable discussion with someone like you.
That was obvious from his first take on layouts and mechanics lmfao
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Posted bygotcha8itch#2885on Feb 28, 2025, 4:36:29 AM
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I absolutely understand the new support gems. It´s you that don´t understand. There´s always an argument for how and why about anything and everything, you making an argument for how and why don´t make it good. Overly specific effects are not liked by most players, it´s already tested and proven, most people don´t find stuff like that fun, you can go on all day about how and why, since it´s already proven not liked by most there´s nothing to discuss about it. You are right now arguing for why how a squared wheel car are so good!
Yeah, like expedition and ritual gonna be great spawning in narrow corridors.
This is an everall atlas nerf, diluting the tablet effects onto thin corridor maps with less monsters spawning and most people find annoying.
literally doesn't matter that "most ppl" don't like gems with overly specific effects
This is all i need to read to know it´s completely pointless to even try to have a reasonable discussion with someone like you.
Some people like to eat bugs and animal brains, but that´s a small minority, bringing that up in a discussion how to make a great popular mainstream restaurant are completely pointless and nothing but strawmanning. And this is exactly what you are doing now. "literally doesn't matter that "most ppl" don't like bugs and animal brains"... "ok"
It´s common sense and a normal person understand such a simple concept that when discussing anyting at all trying to reach mainstream and wide popularity, decissions are in need to be made for what´s widely popular and most people like , and not a small niche minority.
But you don't have common sense. You act like these few specific support gems form the entirety of support gems while completely missing the point and their purpose.
And your analogy doesn't work. You think a "mainstream" and "popular" restaurant can only serve burgers and pizza and nothing a bit more specific!? Yeah buddy, that's not how things work. If I go to my favorite restaurant, I can order oysters even though most ppl don't eat them.
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Posted byJakkerONAIR#4902on Feb 28, 2025, 6:36:39 AMOn Probation
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literally doesn't matter that "most ppl" don't like gems with overly specific effects
This is all i need to read to know it´s completely pointless to even try to have a reasonable discussion with someone like you.
Some people like to eat bugs and animal brains, but that´s a small minority, bringing that up in a discussion how to make a great popular mainstream restaurant are completely pointless and nothing but strawmanning. And this is exactly what you are doing now. "literally doesn't matter that "most ppl" don't like bugs and animal brains"... "ok"
It´s common sense and a normal person understand such a simple concept that when discussing anyting at all trying to reach mainstream and wide popularity, decissions are in need to be made for what´s widely popular and most people like , and not a small niche minority.
But you don't have common sense. You act like these few specific support gems form the entirety of support gems while completely missing the point and their purpose.
And your analogy doesn't work. You think a "mainstream" and "popular" restaurant can only serve burgers and pizza and nothing a bit more specific!? Yeah buddy, that's not how things work. If I go to my favorite restaurant, I can order oysters even though most ppl don't eat them.
I have absolutely never claimed mainstream and popular can only server burgers and pizza, but they need to be able to server burgers and pizza before niche alternatives like oysters, if there´s not burgers and pizza and only different variations of oysters on the menu, and they keep just adding oysters and oysters, niche focus after niche focus, yes, that´s a MASSIVE PROBLEM! for a restaurant supposed to focus on mainstream.
ROFL, seriously, you are arguing for my case and my point point but the point of this thread and discussion have flew so far over your head you don´t realize it...... If you can go to a restaurant supposed to market to broad audience and they serve oysters that most people don´t eat while lacking common popular choices like pizza and hamburgers. Yes, thats a MASSIVE PROBLEM! Their menu completely contradict the restaurants overall goal.
If anything at all are supposed to market to a broader audience, the broader alternatives need to be added and refined before the niche ones. This is the entire point of the post and poe2 overall problem, they try to market to a broad mainstream audience while making decision after decision after decision that hyper focus on small niche audience.
Either you are a troll or completely deluded. You are on the blocklist and will get absoultely zero reply from me from now on.
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Posted byScandiDiver#0604on Feb 28, 2025, 6:59:38 AM
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I have absolutely never claimed mainstream and popular can only server burgers and pizza, but they need to be able to server burgers and pizza before niche alternatives like oysters, if there´s not burgers and pizza and only different variations of oysters on the menu, and they keep just adding oysters and oysters, niche focus after niche focus, yes, that´s a MASSIVE PROBLEM! for a game supposed to focus on mainstream.
ROFL, seriously, you are arguing for my case and my point point but the point of this thread and discussion have flew so far over your head you don´t realize it...... If you can go to a restaurant supposed to market to broad audience and they serve oysters that most people don´t eat while lacking common popular choices like pizza and hamburgers. Yes, thats a MASSIVE PROBLEM! Their menu completely contradict the restaurants overall goal.
If anything at all are supposed to market to a broader audience, the broader alternatives need to be added and refined before the niche ones. This is the entire point of the post and poe2 overall problem, they try to market to a broad mainstream audience while making decision after decision after decision that hyper focus on small niche audience.
Either you are a troll or completely deluded. You are on the blocklist and will get absoultely zero reply from me from now on.
Dude... have you played the game without extending the support gem list so you only have seen the recommended gems?
The game has atm 194 support skills and you act like they don't have the "mainstream" and "popular" ones because from the FEW new support gems - some are hyper specific? Mkay.
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Posted byJakkerONAIR#4902on Feb 28, 2025, 7:13:44 AMOn Probation
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I have absolutely never claimed mainstream and popular can only server burgers and pizza, but they need to be able to server burgers and pizza before niche alternatives like oysters, if there´s not burgers and pizza and only different variations of oysters on the menu, and they keep just adding oysters and oysters, niche focus after niche focus, yes, that´s a MASSIVE PROBLEM! for a game supposed to focus on mainstream.
ROFL, seriously, you are arguing for my case and my point point but the point of this thread and discussion have flew so far over your head you don´t realize it...... If you can go to a restaurant supposed to market to broad audience and they serve oysters that most people don´t eat while lacking common popular choices like pizza and hamburgers. Yes, thats a MASSIVE PROBLEM! Their menu completely contradict the restaurants overall goal.
If anything at all are supposed to market to a broader audience, the broader alternatives need to be added and refined before the niche ones. This is the entire point of the post and poe2 overall problem, they try to market to a broad mainstream audience while making decision after decision after decision that hyper focus on small niche audience.
Either you are a troll or completely deluded. You are on the blocklist and will get absoultely zero reply from me from now on.
Dude... have you played the game without extending the support gem list so you only have seen the recommended gems?
The game has atm 194 support skills and you act like they don't have the "mainstream" and "popular" ones because from the FEW new support gems - some are hyper specific? Mkay.
So what if they have 194 support skills.
The game have a handful viable skills and builds for end-game farming, they are so much better then everything else there´s no choice but to use them. Almost all builds in the game are just minor variations of the same builds and skills. Majority of support gems are either not used at all or so bad it´s barely worth using them but people throw them on anyway because a minor shitty buff is better then nothing. A lot of skills people don´t ever bother getting even a lesser jewelers orb on, because there´s such a lack of supports there´s nothing to place in the skills.
The total number can be a billion 1.000.000.000, it doesn´t matter when the games overall balance are so bad or lackluster most of them are never used. That´s not refined. Pointless to focus on niche support gems when the overall and general state of the game are like this, fixing current and adding new support gems that opens up more build diversity are whats needed, not niche cases.
And the gems are just a small part of the bigger problem, the entire game are designed around niche mechanics and decisions while claiming the game are supposed to be more beginner and mainstream friendly.
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Posted byScandiDiver#0604on Feb 28, 2025, 7:50:59 AM
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So what if they have 194 support skills.
The game have a handful viable skills and builds for end-game farming, they are so much better then everything else there´s no choice but to use them. Almost all builds in the game are just minor variations of the same builds and skills. Majority of support gems are either not used at all or so bad it´s barely worth using them but people throw them on anyway because a minor shitty buff is better then nothing. A lot of skills people don´t ever bother getting even a lesser jewelers orb on, because there´s such a lack of supports there´s nothing to place in the skills.
The total number can be a billion 1.000.000.000, it doesn´t matter when the games overall balance are so bad or lackluster most of them are never used. That´s not refined. Pointless to focus on niche support gems when the overall and general state of the game are like this, fixing current and adding new support gems that opens up more build diversity are whats needed, not niche cases.
And the gems are just a small part of the bigger problem, the entire game are designed around niche mechanics and decisions while claiming the game are supposed to be more beginner and mainstream friendly.
Dude... it's not that hard to understand. They only showcased A FEW new support gems and we don't even know how they balance all the other existing gems.
Ever thought about WHY they only showed the "niche" gems instead of the "mainstream" ones?
Because most of the ppl who look into the forum posts in a small teaser thread about upcoming stuff are not mainstream.
And btw., ppl not 6-linking every single skill is not because "there are no good support gems to do so" - it's because 6-linking every single skill is nonsense. You know, most of the time the cost increases and could break your build for just a bit more dmg when actually not needed.
There is a difference between "more beginner and mainstream friendly" and "beginner and mainstream friendly".
GGG wanted to change some systems to make the entry for "casuals" easier into PoE, that does not equal "making a game for casuals".
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Posted byJakkerONAIR#4902on Feb 28, 2025, 8:14:39 AMOn Probation
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The game is in a horrible state overall. It will be years at this rate for GGG to get it into a good place. Many of GGG's game design decisions are mindboggling to put it politely.
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The game is in a horrible state overall. It will be years at this rate for GGG to get it into a good place. Many of GGG's game design decisions are mindboggling to put it politely.
Depends on who you ask though. For me, despite HUGE amount of flaws and limitations of the current state, this state is already much more enjoyable than PoE 1 or literally any other ARPG. And it only goes better from this point.
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Posted bySuchka_777#4336on Feb 28, 2025, 8:44:24 AM
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The game is in a horrible state overall. It will be years at this rate for GGG to get it into a good place. Many of GGG's game design decisions are mindboggling to put it politely.
I mean, come on... GGG haven't even released 0.2 yet. Wth are you talking about? What "rate"? There is no rate, dude. The patch might be huge, we have no idea. They are TEASERING SOME stuff, not showing everything.
I generally think that many decisions that are controversial were slapped into the game within a week or so.
About the trials - yeah, maybe gatekeeping players from getting their ascendancy wasn't a good idea. But we're gonna get 1 more trial, and then we'll see.
Even the crafting. I'm sure that GGG wasn't thinking about crafting that much before releasing the game because, internally, to test stuff, they can get anything they want.
For example, I want to test how some crossbow skills and mechanics work. But the minimum damage difference I can get between my attacks on a crossbow is about 33% (6-9). For the testing properties, though, I'd like to have only 1 value of damage. And GGG can do that internally any time they want. I can't, though. The point being that GGG severely underestimated the testing and balancing required for the initial release, but it probably will be fixed over time.
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Posted bygolanov#0674on Feb 28, 2025, 9:02:18 AM
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The game is in a horrible state overall. It will be years at this rate for GGG to get it into a good place. Many of GGG's game design decisions are mindboggling to put it politely.
Yes, exactly.
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Posted byScandiDiver#0604on Feb 28, 2025, 9:12:09 AM
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