A Simple Poll - Exp Loss on Death

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

I never understood why people keep insisting on wanting to reach level 100 when it gives them nothing and they obviously dont enjoy the grind.

You can do all content at 90. Why is it a problem that there are 10 more optional levels for those that play alot and either just enjoy grinding or want to compete in the ladder? All content in the game doesnt have to be for everyone. In Elden Ring do you sit and complain that you would need to farm runes for 9 years to reach level 999?

Its not good for the game if everything is just a participation trophy.

You can never understand, because you don't value time as highly as others. It's not about the level, it's about 1 death undoing hours/days of progress.

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If you're dying six times in an unjuiced map, you're either doing a map way above your level or you don't know how to use your character. In either case, EXP loss is not the issue.

Now outside of that scenario:

If you're below lvl 90 -> don't worry about EXP loss. You'll make up super fast.

If you're above lvl 90 and don't care about the ladder -> don't worry about EXP loss. Your leveling progression is concluded. Additional talent points will not make or break your build. Gear is what you should focus on for progression. You can already do any content in the game.

If you're above lvl 90 and do care about the ladder -> use Omen of Amelioration and "git gud" or stop caring about the ladder.

In none of those cases, EXP itself is the problem.

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

You can never understand, because you don't value time as highly as others. It's not about the level, it's about 1 death undoing hours/days of progress.

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

Ok but....


1. None of that is true. The hours/days of "progress" have been spent to farm gear or currencies. Which you still have, you only lose the additional "benefit" of also slowly gaining exp.

2. Why do you care if you lose experience if its close to worthless to you?
Assuming your above 90, the levels give you close to nothing, your not participating in the ladder. Why would you at all care?

3. Have you at any point considered to use your time improving at the game so you dont die so often instead of complaining on a forum?

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

Ok but....


1. None of that is true. The hours/days of "progress" have been spent to farm gear or currencies. Which you still have, you only lose the additional "benefit" of also slowly gaining exp.

2. Why do you care if you lose experience if its close to worthless to you?
Assuming your above 90, the levels give you close to nothing, your not participating in the ladder. Why would you at all care?

3. Have you at any point considered to use your time improving at the game so you dont die so often instead of complaining on a forum?

1. Gear and currency is not a measure of progress. It's highly RNG/gambling mentality. Not progress, and especially not near high levels with the kind of gear I have.

2. Given the above which is fine as designed, XP ought to be the only reliable thing given in exchange for spending time in the game.

3. It's convenient to argue against a straw man and sorry to burst your bubble but I don't die often, and I yet still despise XP loss as a design. Despite other criticisms that I have with the game, XP loss is the only one that is philosophically egregious to me & is the one and only reason that I stopped supporting the devs during season one.

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Skollvaldr#5851 wrote:

What you are asking for is to remove the only somewhat competitive aspect of the game so Joe Shmoe can feel validation by grinding to max level without hurdles.

No dice.

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Skollvaldr#5851 wrote:

Tell me you literally didn't read any of my explanations of why EXP loss in its current form is necessary and why you shouldn't care past lvl 90, without telling me.

Yes, levels past 90 are just for ego. That's the entire point. Which is why harsh EXP loss is needed. Not everyone should get to 100 with mindless grinding. It makes perfect sense in a seasonal game. It's a competitive element. That's the entire purpose of having a ladder, ffs.

I'm done with you. If you refuse to read and comprehend then you shouldn't be part of the conversation.

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qQbonmjtAZ#7824 wrote:

If the last 10 levels are just for ladders and prestige, and the skill points don't matter, then they should remove the skill points or make them accessible some other way. Hiding them behind a no life grind in a seasonal ARPG is bad design. And yes, they do matter to many people, regardless if optimal builds don't require them. If you don't care about them then you have no reason to care if someone else gets them.