A Simple Poll - Exp Loss on Death

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

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ForsesGIT#6499 wrote:

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

Prove it. Show us how lvl95 vs lvl90 makes it so much easier to do t15 maps. Put your money where your mouth is.

Easy, 5 passives to take 'Falcon Dive' and 'Proficiency' for LS.

The issue with a response like this is that it doesn't actually tackle the issue they're bringing up.

If those passives are so valuable for your build, why can't you remove some less effective points elsewhere to opt into these passives instead? This is why they're asking for a full tree, and not just "name some passives worth taking".

Hmm, that's good point

I could just take +25 attributes for that 5 points that give me ability to take more high skill gems or better gear due to strong attributes restrictions

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

Literally no insult in my previous comments. What kind of way of discussion is that even?

Pretty easy proving you wrong: If you're playing a spear-amazon, "Impair" would give you boost, but, oh wait, you're not even near that node.

Q.E.D.

Simple example:
I'll take +25 attributes, it is make my character stronger? It will, that's just fact. 5 passives > 0 passives

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

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Jadian#0111 wrote:

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ForsesGIT#6499 wrote:

Easy, 5 passives to take 'Falcon Dive' and 'Proficiency' for LS.

The issue with a response like this is that it doesn't actually tackle the issue they're bringing up.

If those passives are so valuable for your build, why can't you remove some less effective points elsewhere to opt into these passives instead? This is why they're asking for a full tree, and not just "name some passives worth taking".

The issue with this entire chain of comments is that it's a common tactic by the pro-xp loss crowd to derail a conversation into theory crafting build improvements and away from the principle that people don't like losing progress that they've earned in prior maps.

So your only progress in this game is your level then? If you die at 0% exp on a 1-portal map, the map is gone. Is that no progress lost? If you die at 0% exp while chasing a wisp, the wisp is gone. I that no progress lost?

If you can't lose anything in this game, there is no risk-reward incentive whatsoever.

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ForsesGIT#6499 wrote:

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

Literally no insult in my previous comments. What kind of way of discussion is that even?

Pretty easy proving you wrong: If you're playing a spear-amazon, "Impair" would give you boost, but, oh wait, you're not even near that node.

Q.E.D.

Simple example:
I'll take +25 attributes, it is make my character stronger? It will, that's just fact. 5 passives > 0 passives

Yeah, just...I can't even...

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

So your only progress in this game is your level then? If you die at 0% exp on a 1-portal map, the map is gone. Is that no progress lost? If you die at 0% exp while chasing a wisp, the wisp is gone. I that no progress lost?

If you can't lose anything in this game, there is no risk-reward incentive whatsoever.

Bad example, It's not the same. If wisp is gone you are not lost the progress that you've farmed for 20+ hours.
If you want risk-reward incentive - HC is a good choice for you.

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

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ForsesGIT#6499 wrote:

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

Literally no insult in my previous comments. What kind of way of discussion is that even?

Pretty easy proving you wrong: If you're playing a spear-amazon, "Impair" would give you boost, but, oh wait, you're not even near that node.

Q.E.D.

Simple example:
I'll take +25 attributes, it is make my character stronger? It will, that's just fact. 5 passives > 0 passives

Yeah, just...I can't even...

Is +25 attributes makes your character stronger - it will. You have less attributes restrictions, so, you could get better gear, up your skill gem. Am I wrong?

Q.E.D.

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ForsesGIT#6499 wrote:

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

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ForsesGIT#6499 wrote:

Simple example:
I'll take +25 attributes, it is make my character stronger? It will, that's just fact. 5 passives > 0 passives

Yeah, just...I can't even...

Is +25 attributes makes your character stronger - it will. You have less attributes restrictions, so, you could get better gear, up your skill gem. Am I wrong?

Q.E.D.

If you're lvl 90 and can't use your lvl20 gem, then you're doing something wrong.

There is no point in answering your way of 'discussion'.

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

If you're lvl 90 and can't use your lvl20 gem, then you're doing something wrong.

There is no point in answering your way of 'discussion'.

So, you've just ignored the part about gear and calling other players playstyle and experiment "a skill issue".
Clearly, no insulting from you, it's very polite.

Ok. What if I just don't want to check map modifiers, I've chose be lazy and have aggressive "wrong" playstyle, to play with some drink in one hand.
I've already choose Softcore for my playstyle, I don't want any penalty, am I wrong?
If you want be rewarder for risk-reward incentive - play hardcore.

It's EA dude, beta.

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

So your only progress in this game is your level then? .

This has been addressed numerous times, it's not the ONLY goal I guess to actually acknowledge what people are saying would mean you have no argument.

And no, people asking for a change in XP penalty aren't asking for no punishment. Many would be happy if XP could be recovered.

Pointless having a discussion when people like you keep misrepresenting what's being said.

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