A Simple Poll - Exp Loss on Death

I'm generally okay with some XP loss, however with the amount of dying in the game, it does tend to feel really bad.

If they fixed the 1 shot mechanics and bullshit explosions and annoying dodging mechanics, maybe dying wouldn't feel as bad.

But when your last 3 deaths are insta kills, the xp loss gets old real quick

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BigBeuss#5956 wrote:

lol months later and we still whining about reasonable penality, rage quit alrdy ffs.

Seriously, no. Xp loss is fine. Just go and ask for an easy league with no death penality, then go and ask for difficulty nerfs then ask for better loot then ask for lowering the amount of xp needed or whatever make you feel better. 10% (more like 2,5%) xp loss on death penelity is perfectly fine for softcore.

It's not reasonable at lvl90+. Reasonable would be to let us recover it near where we died or even having higher map tiers. Unreasonable is erasing hours of XP gained in an EA game that not balanced

I love the XP loss, best ever game mechanic! Leveling up is for loosers!

/sarcasm

Every time I die I postpone an in-game purchase. I spend between 50 and 100 euros/month on video games.
Poe 2 is the game I haven't made any purchases for and don't plan to make any as long as there is a loss of XP

This thread is still going

They will never change it, Mark thinks its needed.

In its basic form exp penalty is to force players to learn the game through punishment. It does work as a psychological experiment you can read the countless research done on it (not game related but inter connected).

Yes as part of the punishment model the higher someone gets the harsher it needs to be for that player to develope other skills.

With all that said, new players are not used to this concept and lack understanding why its in the game.

As i have mentioned before it would be nice for Mark to explain his perspective and does it matter in an early access game when players are going to be dealing with huge changes before 1.0 release.


I am for and against it, in a full release game with a POE style game play i am for the loss. In an EA game its a big NO shouldnt need to explain why.

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Fixed an issue where Volatile Plants were dealing a little over double their intended damage.

Lol I knew it. It would make 4x damage for ES characters too. Anyone else wants to spin stories about how exp penalty here is "justified" and "reveals real players"?:)

If you keep your penalties, then these things should be hotfix priority. It was same shit with slitherspitter mob damage, I had immediately suspected it was broken on first Act 3 playtrough back in December. Made a bug report later. It took several patches before GGG finally fixed it.

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dreamstate42#3955 wrote:

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

You're making a claim and then can't provide concrete proof. Oh dear, if only science would work that way. But sadly, it doesn't.

Now you've arrived at "no, you!". Oh dear, if arguments would only work that way. But sadly, they don't.

That doesn't even remotely make any sense. Someone is claiming something, so it's his obligation to prove said claim.

Don't twist it.

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Echothesis#7320 wrote:

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Fixed an issue where Volatile Plants were dealing a little over double their intended damage.

Lol I knew it. It would make 4x damage for ES characters too. Anyone else wants to spin stories about how exp penalty here is "justified" and "reveals real players"?:)

If you keep your penalties, then these things should be hotfix priority. It was same shit with slitherspitter mob damage, I had immediately suspected it was broken on first Act 3 playtrough back in December. Made a bug report later. It took several patches before GGG finally fixed it.

Just because most people just plainly don't pay attention to the game and die to those things is not an argument against exp loss. They will still die to them. Justifies the exp loss even more.

The only thing that unjustifies exp-loss is dying due to lag.

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qQbonmjtAZ#7824 wrote:

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

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dreamstate42#3955 wrote:

Save your energy. People arguing in bad faith will constantly demand concrete proof or evidence from you, while making all their points in the abstract. If you give a concrete example, they will pick it apart into the tiniest pieces to find the one situation it is not valid in; and if you give an abstract example, they will simply circle back to demanding concrete examples, or claim that not providing that makes your argument dismissible.

They will simply ignore the fact that every point can have an impact on pathing and the notables or keystones you can reach; as shown by the fact that many PoB builds will do a respec at higher levels due to gaining more worth from optimized pathing available with more skill points. The issue is that this would no longer be "simple math," and especially not math supporting their point.

You're making a claim and then can't provide concrete proof. Oh dear, if only science would work that way. But sadly, it doesn't.

That's one way to falsely summertime his point.

You've made a claim. Prove it. It's not even that hard.

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bloomhead#3858 wrote:

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Echothesis#7320 wrote:

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Fixed an issue where Volatile Plants were dealing a little over double their intended damage.

Lol I knew it. It would make 4x damage for ES characters too. Anyone else wants to spin stories about how exp penalty here is "justified" and "reveals real players"?:)

If you keep your penalties, then these things should be hotfix priority. It was same shit with slitherspitter mob damage, I had immediately suspected it was broken on first Act 3 playtrough back in December. Made a bug report later. It took several patches before GGG finally fixed it.

Just because most people just plainly don't pay attention to the game and die to those things is not an argument against exp loss. They will still die to them. Justifies the exp loss even more.

The only thing that unjustifies exp-loss is dying due to lag.

How is dying to lag different from dying to bugged combat mechanics? A lot of people here repeat how mysterious "skill" is the cornerstone of not dying. 2x ball damage * 2 chaos-to-ES mult * 3 balls = 12x bugged extra damage per 1 volatile cast. What use is a "skill" if you get hit outside of intended balance curve? (Let's pretend poe has said curve for a moment).

Will GGG recompense people who lost days of progression from volatiles at level 93+? Will GGG hotfix those issues faster in the future, or will GGG only hotfix balance issues beneficial to players (in real time)?. I think you know the answers.