Petition to abandon T17

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Sabranic_SilverDeth#2793 wrote:

I am confused when people get upset of optional content.

It seems to me most of these complaints were addressed with T16.5?

The issue is player expectations are what defines optional content not the designers. The general PoE populace considers Ubers as the bosses now and the previous are just a waste of time and they consider T17 the juice destination because they award massively more loot than the regular modifier pooled maps.

I still consider Ubers optional, but I know full well i'm in the minority.

I do think 16.5 was a step in the right direction but fundamentally they are a halfway house, you get more loot but still less than 17 again due to the mod pool being less valuable. As a result the SC powerhouse players who basically have no challenge left in the game will automatically view 17 as mandatory because to them it is.

Whereas if you are still challenged by the content 16.5 is pretty good.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Bossing being gated behind other content you may not want to run otherwise isn't anything new.

Brother, locking bossing behind doing bosses is good, locking them behind shit maps is not.

>aul is locked behind delve

oh wow, the pinnacle boss of delve is locked in delve? What a good argument.

My whole gripe with these forced map is the simple fact that it takes me from doing my uubers to farming maps I hate because they are the only source to get them.

Leave the T17s in, take away the uuber frag and put them back to doing the goddamn bosses themselves, not some random map.

No pleasing some people.

GGG has, in response to feedback:

-Made T17's rollable
-Heavily nerfed T17 monster dmg and hp
-Introduced T16.5 (which is essentially a T17 on every map layout)

Uber Boss fragments should drop from the normal variant of the boss though and not in t17s. They can make some nice div cards that only drop in t17 or whatever.

And t16,5 is doubling down on mods that are the actual problem.

However, the normal boss fragments not being tied to uber content anymore is a good thing.

Yeah t17s right now suck in every possible way. Bad map layouts, its dark af in there and I can't see anything, horrendously unfun enemy types that are designed to annoy you and waste all your time. And on top of that the boss drops from those maps are total garbage and just a slot machine. You either get the good,expensive fragments and make a profit, or you just don't.(or only 1 bad fragment drops for some reason even though they should be dropping 2-3)

With how they are now I just completely ignore and bulk sell them for chaos and divs. If I'm completely ignoring this endgame content then something is wrong with it, unless the goal with designing it was for players to not engage with it ofc.

Yeah t17 really suck

Honestly i think they should not be maps but just boss encounters with the end arena alone. nothing else.
then and only then will t17's feel ok in the game. Until then they will always feel really bad to run. Why do they have to have crazy mods that just disable so many builds? it just hurts build diversity. Also why do they have increased currency and scarabs and maps drops? this is also a big part of the problem to why they feel so mandatory to run.
And to anyone that thinks they are fine, just why has GGG nerfed them like 5 times already and also felt like they needed to add t16.5? Feels like they just want to push us into this content no matter what and cant accept that they messed up with t17 and that they should just remove them from the game. I get that having to farm normal bosses to get uber frags feels bad cause your'e already too strong for that content but the implementation of t17 to fix that problem is just atrocious... seriously. they need to think about a new way to deal with the problem and accept that this time it dint work out and it needs a rework.

t17s wouldn't bother me if echoes of creation wasnt on uber shaper. I just simply would never do them.