GGG need to make manifesto about getting rid of zoomers/casuals or tuning to poe 1 pace

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Kaboinglefop#0955 wrote:

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Megami83Tensei#9384 wrote:

You turn this game into a slogfest with the current poe1 monster damage and I guarantee you it'd be dead in a week.

Like OP, you're only operating in extremes.

There's definitely a middle ground GGG can hit here that maintains the integrity of an involved and readable combat experience.

We are currently IN the "middle ground",and it's literally hell.

Either everything is completely reworked to be more methodical with a much more balanced variety of enemies and difficulty,or we end playing poe1 again.Trying to find a middle ground just leaves either the enemies nightmarish like it is now or it's D4 levels of easy where the power is pushed too hard onto the player.You physically cannot have both.

I think they do need to make a manifesto on what kind of game they want to make out of PoE2. Judging from what we’ve seen so far from interviews and the such however, I think Jonathan is actively avoiding to take a stance in fear of alianating potential customers. From a business perspective I can’t blame him for doing that but it leaves a pretty bad impression on the playerbase while the game swings in all sorts of directions every league.

Having said all that, I would give mad respect to Jonathan if came out and addressed that in a blog post. Gameplay, visibility, monster density, game difficulty. Does he want more of a D2 style, or closer to PoE1/D4 type of speed, etc.?

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Kaboinglefop#0955 wrote:

There's definitely a middle ground GGG can hit here that maintains the integrity of an involved and readable combat experience.

Hopefully this is what GGG is trying to do and not following extreme like this.
I dont want a "zoom fest" and i dont want every white mob to be like a boss.

There is no discution to have, OP insult everyone that disagree on every post anyway.
Tomorow you'll see another post from the same author saying the same thing again. It's going on for months.

Question for Op

What build are you playing this league?

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AngryOldGamerr#4793 wrote:

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Oinkaments#6390 wrote:

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AngryOldGamerr#4793 wrote:

To make a post asking a company to remove a type of player is just another level you guys have lost the plot.

I don't consider myself a casual player, I'm pretty sure I can be easily categorized as a no life player.

But OP asking GGG directly to get rid of casual players is one of the most unhinged post I have ever read on this forum.

He constantly calls people that like faster pace addicts like they are subhumans and he's now saying that GGG indecision only brings hatred.

That's just incredible.

Same according to these forums recently im a exploit abuser, all my loot should be removed should be banned etc all because i no life the game, 229 hrs this league and counting

Casual is a zoomer addicted to dopamine.

Its not how much you play but how you play
You can have 200h holding button in diablo 3, before using guides
You can have 200h on your own build, no single time turning guide in poe.

Both have 200h

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AngryOldGamerr#4793 wrote:

Question for Op

What build are you playing this league?

That doesnt matter.
Im playing both.

Couch coop with my gf - she is casual but likes slower methodical gameplay. So she is less casual than most yapping people here. But we both played ww.
My werewolf is pure hp with no resists and leech, shreed based and her cold
Builded bleed dragon with blood mage and herald of blood, ele= bleed.
I like to experiment and explore builds by myself. Not even looking to any guides with my 13y of exp in poe 1, and even more with all arpgs. People who copy builds are not playing this but clicking.
Mostly i prefer build toughness on monsters and stack hp. To make it more poe 2 and not fiesta of casual diablo 3 game

Then lonely i prefer hc ssf on warrior, throwing spear base + parry, tried bear, want one time to complete atlass with crossbow
But it doesnt matter.

GGG is trying to put more slower combat in the game with lots of skills needing infusions or charges, or having cooldowns. However players mostly just ignore those skills and instead use the 5% of skills that don't have any conditions to be good.

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SaiyanZ#3112 wrote:

GGG is trying to put more slower combat in the game with lots of skills needing infusions or charges, or having cooldowns. However players mostly just ignore those skills and instead use the 5% of skills that don't have any conditions to be good.

*Casual players.

And for now those skills - which in end game os mostly all skillsm works as must have to play skills as they are most efficent.

If skill is more efficent there is no reason to play with worse if you want to trade. It kick you from trading.

Game cannot be balanced for all and now is balanced for zooming, casuals and one button builds.

You can auto generate charges, use skills and so on. There is few gems that cannot. Those 5% are builds which end game need manual stuff

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saashaa#5518 wrote:

Its not how much you play but how you play

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. A casual/hardcore player by definition is defined by how dedicated he is to the game. Dedication in such context is time spent playing, theory crafting, discussing, etc. about the game. The more time you spend, the more dedicated you are. The less time, the more casual.

These players you’re reffing to are not casuals. They’re very much hardcore/dedicated players that have their own reasons of playing a game like PoE2. Their way of having fun, as perverse as it may seem to most of us, is not the actual gameplay but how fast and efficiently they can farm/trivialize the game for better rewards. In other words, like a pseudo casino simulator. I would even argue for them the actual gameplay is something strictly negative.

So it’s not a casual/hardcore player divide, but a type of player. Casino sim VS ARPG.

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saashaa#5518 wrote:

POE 2 was announced for years as slower and methodical, and that's how it should be.

And before that it was just called PoE 4.0 so what’s your point?

It’s called Path of Exile so people who played the first expect something similar and if they wanted to do something different they should have called it something else.
Also, and I can’t stress this enough, you can’t have a slow game when the content is based on timed events where you get better rewards the faster you kill. It’s one of GGG’s design flaws and I don’t see it changing that soon.

By the way, a casual is someone that goes and play the game once in a while, usually zoomers are those who play the game constantly and perfected the builds to do more content the fastest way possible. They are not the same and you should understand that.