1.0.6b Patch Notes

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Vahnn wrote:

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Xyre wrote:

As it is now a summoner will get to merciless and be unable to summon appropriate level corpses. Summoners will be doing level 70+ maps before they can even summon a level 66 corpse...that is a bit silly :/

Perhaps with the desecrate ability yes, but not in actuality. In fact, many summoners do, and have no problem clearing level 70+ maps with level 65/66/67 spectres (lunaris2/3/Dominus). Desecrate in it's current state still makes things easier.

Let's say you want to get a Burned Miscreation. Before desecrate, you'd go get your zombies, go to Lunaris 2, let the zombies do the work, then raise your spectres. If your zombies couldn't quite handle the heat, you'd go get spectres from a lower difficulty and let them do the work instead.

Now, if your desecrate isn't high enough for what you want, you can still summon spectres with it, and then use those to go get higher ones from the map itself. Or you can just be lazy and use the desecrate ones, since the chances are high that they'll be able to take care of business anyway well enough on their own as it is.


One rather amazing (and silly) thing about summoners, is that they can still use spectres from the previous difficulty well into the current difficulty. If you don't believe me, go raise Cruel BMs, Evangelists, Fire Alchs, Flame Sentinels etc. and take them to Merciless Ledge/Fellshrine/wherever. As long as your passives are solid, and you've been leveling your gems & supports, they'll carry you through the content seamlessly.

Desecrate still makes getting spectres 100% safe and easy. The change really isn't all that bad as it seems to be.

Remember, it's also an awesome skill for summoners (and any chars now) to use in new maps as a tool for scouting out what kind of monster spawns you get. There are many ways to think outside the box.

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Xyre wrote:

Lower level spectres do make a difference even with every minion passive, mainly in health and how quickly they can die. Before this patch you could prepare your zombies and spectres all at once...desecrate was convenient, now its not, you add that to the fact that the change screws up DD builds and you have a situation where people are unhappy. You failed to mention anything about detonate dead in your rebuttal. You also failed to mention why the change was so important or why not just making it based on player level/area level wouldn't solve everything, but thanks for responding?

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s010910 wrote:

Having tested it, there is not sufficient proof regarding this.

We took a level x gem, detonated dead in PVP, then used the same gem with a total of +3 levels and repeated the detonate dead on it. Needless to say the damage was higher. The required level of this gem never changed, but the corpse level did, leading to the belief that the corpse levels can proceed beyond level 68.

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Vahnn wrote:

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Xyre wrote:

Lower level spectres do make a difference even with every minion passive, mainly in health and how quickly they can die. Before this patch you could prepare your zombies and spectres all at once...desecrate was convenient, now its not, you add that to the fact that the change screws up DD builds and you have a situation where people are unhappy. You failed to mention anything about detonate dead in your rebuttal. You also failed to mention why the change was so important or why not just making it based on player level/area level wouldn't solve everything, but thanks for responding?

I still don't really see how it screws up DD builds. DD builds were awesome (if built properly) long before desecrate was introduced. Before desecrate scaled, there was a brief period where you could make a CoCS - desecrate - DD build with spec/GMP/loads of crit and cause all sorts of crazy hell with just a level 1 Desc. & DD.

The truth in the matter is it wasn't a nerf. GGG just rushed the skill out and goofed up by forgetting to make it do what it was meant to do. The short period where we had our little 'no penalty' desecrate was unintended. I'm not saying people shouldn't give skill feedback on desecrate itself, I'm saying whining about a nerf isn't going to help matters.

Desecrate is actually still quite abusable in it's current state, and in games like these, it's unfortunately the potential for abuse that sometimes has to dictate balance.

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s010910 wrote:

I honestly don't understand all the complaints.

Is it really that difficult to level a gem to get added bonus. As it stood, you got the same bonus from a level 20 gem as you did from a level 1 gem (as far as Corpse level is concerned).

Now, we get rewarded for leveling our gems, as the game should be.

And just as a side note, you can increase the level of the gem with Empower and this will increase the Corpse level.

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Dellusions wrote:

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s010910 wrote:

I honestly don't understand all the complaints.

Is it really that difficult to level a gem to get added bonus. As it stood, you got the same bonus from a level 20 gem as you did from a level 1 gem (as far as Corpse level is concerned).

Now, we get rewarded for leveling our gems, as the game should be.

And just as a side note, you can increase the level of the gem with Empower and this will increase the Corpse level.

First, you don't play a summoner.

Second, Empower never raises the required level of a gem, or people would need to be level 83 to use +6 setups. This means the corpses are capped at 68, and it will take you until you are level 85 to be able to use those corpses if you put the gem on right at it's level req.

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s010910 wrote:

We took a level x gem, detonated dead in PVP, then used the same gem with a total of +3 levels and repeated the detonate dead on it. Needless to say the damage was higher. The required level of this gem never changed, but the corpse level did, leading to the belief that the corpse levels can proceed beyond level 68.

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Dellusions wrote:

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s010910 wrote:

I honestly don't understand all the complaints.

Is it really that difficult to level a gem to get added bonus. As it stood, you got the same bonus from a level 20 gem as you did from a level 1 gem (as far as Corpse level is concerned).

Now, we get rewarded for leveling our gems, as the game should be.

And just as a side note, you can increase the level of the gem with Empower and this will increase the Corpse level.

First, you don't play a summoner.

Second, Empower never raises the required level of a gem, or people would need to be level 83 to use +6 setups. This means the corpses are capped at 68, and it will take you until you are level 85 to be able to use those corpses if you put the gem on right at it's level req.

Last, of course a level x gem +3 will do more damage then just a level x gem. We need to see a level 20 gem +3 to see if there is really a difference, but I highly doubt that from other tests like this I've seen.