GGG's opinion on Mirror of Kalandra

You completely miss my point - your 50 ex item may well be worth 100 ex in Standard but if mirrors were removed and the actual value of items was actually exposed - the current mirrored items would be worth well over thousands of exalts.

Legacy mirrored items, please give me more.

I don't care about how good bench-crafting is, it's worse than mirrored. And people propose to remove it and create legacies.

Beware: my definition of budget is relative to 5000 exalt Loath Banes. You fancy creating one?

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Chundadragon wrote:

You completely miss my point

i wasn't addressing your point about the valuation of 6x T1 items.

i was addressing your point about the usefulness of bench crafting. you said it "can't even be used to finish daggers" -- which is completely wrong. you can create fantastic daggers with the bench (or any weapon really).

if you said it can't be used to finish a PERFECT dagger, that would be true....

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Veruski wrote:

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Chundadragon wrote:

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Chundadragon wrote:

I do not talk of temp leagues

I sold a dagger like that for 75 exalts in Standard.

that's a chunk of a mirror.

here's something else you should know: if an item is worth 50+ exalts in Ambush, it's going to be worth a lot in Standard as well.

again, to educate you: bench crafting will be used to create fantastic items.

I really have to jump in here. "Fantastic" is 100% relative. Bench crafting is accessible to everyone, so "fantastic" items will become rather common.

I only expect Bench crafting to widen the gulf between "solid" gear and "godly" gear.

Okay yes, I completely 100% agree that bench-crafting is amazing for crafting high-end items in temp leagues.

However, my statement was that bench crafting is shit to alleviate the 6T1 mirror legacy problem.

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Ashen_Shugar_IV wrote:

widen the gulf between "solid" gear and "godly" gear.

And this is what removing mirrors would do.

Difference between normal and legacy, difference between bench-crafted and mirrored if the mirrored items would become legacy.

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Chundadragon wrote:

Okay yes, I completely 100% agree that bench-crafting is amazing for crafting high-end items in temp leagues.

However, my statement was that bench crafting is shit to alleviate the 6T1 mirror legacy problem.

well yeah, i agree with that.

there's really only one way to address the current mirror situation, and it's one a lot of people would flip out about:

Adding new tiers of item affixes....

tbh i'm fairly certain this will happen when Act 4 comes out, so I'm expecting a lot of tears.

If I Were King, I would remove eternals at the same time I released new tiers of item affixes.

Ever since eternals came out, rare item drops have become more and more boring by the day, and continue to do this.

I think it would take a very significant margin of disparity between new affixes and old affixes to solve the mirrored items if indeed the mirrors were discontinued - see my analysis here if one extra tier was added ->

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Taking dagger ->
For better, chance is 2x greater - 2.5k exalts. T0-1
For equal, chance is 3x greater - 1.8k exalts for a dagger that's as good as Loath Bane. T0-2

Taking ring ->
For better, chance is 2x greater - 1k exalts.
For equal, chance is 3x greater - 700 exalts for a ring that's as good as Morbid Knuckle, Foe Eye.. etc.

The "legacy mirror" items would still be far better than any available item simply because they already exist in moderate quantities and not at extortionate costs unless the new affixes made a large difference.

i would never discontinue mirrors myself.

i would discontinue eternals, though, to slow down power creep.

Just quietly, if we were getting new affix tiers..... I wouldn't mind a full server wipe.
Sshhhhhhhhhh someone will hear.

Agreed, of the two evils the eternal orb is BY FAR the worst.

Mirrors cannot be nerfed or removed because of legacy issues already specified but if the source of problem, the root of all these items was taken away - I would be satisfied.

If a suitable compensation for their removal was created with the removal, I can only think the game would get better.

How about:

Eternaled items cannot be mirrored?