Was Malachai evil?
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is anyone in Wraeclast good?
murderers and thieves on one side, corrupt clerics and zealots on the other. oh and there's also an ancient civilization extremely fond of human sacrifice and terrifying soul-constructs, and a fallen empire that was about slave labour, tons of hubris, and putting gems into people to see what happens. Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat
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" Ah so more of a politician that just regular evil lol. [Removed by Support] All of us have inherent evils within regardless of us knowing them well or them being hidden from our own insight, and they can be subtle or they can be fucking huge. A place like Wraeclast which has an immense power in the very dirt itself just waiting to be tapped by someone will turn even the those purest of heart and soul far darker than they could imagine themselves becoming. Its not that all these lore characters that did go really bad were all evil from the start, its that their desires and position they were placed within the grand scheme of all of it let them go wild with power and the hunger for more of it, leading them to commit lesser or greater evils in the quest for what they really want. I mean shit look at us exiles. We go mercilessly slaughtering hordes of crabs, rhoas, rock people, and other stuff just so we can get phat lootz eager to exterminate anything that can drop an item :D. I dont think Malachai was evil through and through, but he took a dip in evil's pond for sure and willingly, because what he wanted was obviously pretty damn big. Last edited by Rachel#0000 on May 5, 2015, 7:27:45 AM
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" A lore discussion board would be nice, actually. " But what did he want? If all he wanted was to go north to the birthplace of the Gems and end the world, he was free to do so under Chitus - arguably, the influence he had was more than enough to allow him to do anything he wanted short of becoming emperor himself. And yet, as far as we know all he did was further his studies of thaumaturgy. Only when Vol took down the Eternal Empire did Malachai move with the plan that eventually led to the Cataclysm. One point of view is that he was a more skilled version of Piety... Or maybe he was just a very curious scientist. Lady Dialla's comments about her "poor, troubled Malachai" doesn't make he sound like the male version of the "Mistress of Corruption", though. |
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Re: to further the topic of Malachai: Evil requires intent, and Malachai's intent was not evil. He did what he thought was for the better. His methods may be perceived as evil, but if your test subjects are of no value to you or those who assigned them to you, it doesn't make you evil, it makes you misinformed. For example, throughout history (of the real world), the very first thing people try to accomplish when they want a certain group of people gone, and it's to dehumanize them. The Jews were vermin to the Nazi's, and if a person truly believes that to be true, how can you say that person is evil when at the same time you don't consider another who kills a cockroach evil. Now that we understand that other animals are not just automatons made by a deity, we no longer do things such as blinding bats by burning their eyes and wonder why they still continue to dodge things (only to burn their ears as well to find out they have sonar). If a person did that bat experiment today, he would no doubt (hopefully at least) be considered evil. But who can blame him for doing it when he didn't think bats could even feel pain or have thoughts. This flexibility of what may be right or wrong despite society's common mores is one of the reasons religion still appeals to some that have no beliefs in a higher power. The idea that morals should somehow be based on viewpoints is like saying scientific laws depend on personal viewpoints. Malachai's intent was always to put himself first. "The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910 Last edited by Rachel#0000 on May 5, 2015, 7:29:08 AM
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" Would Dominus be the "Blue Man" from that movie? Do we face "He who walks behind the rows" in Act IV? "The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis
PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910 |
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I wonder if GGG took inspiration from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Malachi
Also, our character literally had to choose between helping a village or helping bandits based on who offers the better price. Wraeclast is all about survival, using any means necessary,there is no room for good and evil. |
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" I think this is a pretty interesting thing to point out - while Malachai was definitely evil, it's possible that Malachai tried to do a good thing and failed because of Dialla. Evil people can occasionally do good things and vice verca. Also, regarding that image spoiler about future bosses:
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Act 4 spoiler!
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Malachai looks like Aerbax from Asheron's Call...
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" I do like how people take the lore to deeper, more complex places. it may be a huge yet very predictable spoiler, to guess Malachai was (is?) indeed evil, and will be (is?) a boss in the game at some point. however, the discussion whether or not his "experiments" were just pure malevolence, or perhaps what he believed to be a form of greater good - must continue. he's not Maligaro or Doedre who are probably just classic one-dimensional villain types. there's more to him than that. a shame the person who bought this up, is on probation. speaking of which, why in the world is one of the most intelligent, artistic and fun-to-read posters in this forum, on probation? Alva: I'm sweating like a hog in heat Shadow: That was fun Last edited by johnKeys#6083 on May 5, 2015, 5:32:08 PM
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" I differ with you on my opinion that climbing the mountain of immortality on the bodies of your subjects is inherently evil. Malachi had a goal, and he was willing to pay to reach it by spilling the blood of his "lessers" I like my shadow, but he is an evil person. He murders to further his own goals of wealth and power. just because he perceives it as a profession, and other people employ him as a normal business practice, does not change the fact that murder for hire is evil. |
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