Hacked Accounts

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MonstaMunch wrote:

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darkro90 wrote:

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The thing is, this is pretty well covered in the OP. If people were brute forcing accounts, they would do Chris and Kripp. I do believe that the hijacking could be something that has nothing to do with end users doing anything wrong, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree with this one.

One thing I would like to brought on why people like kripps and chris aren't hacked while most of other does.

Misdirection.

IF they can figure out the exploits that PoE security system has, they would be also clever enough to know that hacking those accounts you're mentioned are basically suicide of their own methods.

Because once those accounts are hacked, GGG will starts to reflect on their own security system instead of blaming the users like usual, and will ultimately patched in the exploits. But with this method, the hacker instead creates a false sense of security within GGG, making them feel relieved that the mistakes weren't their own and starts their own usual routines of blaming their own users for it while half-assedly fixes the exploits like giving a nearly-useless features they call as "security measures."

That's why they're targeting mid to high level players that no one about, but also profitable to be targeted.
That's why they're avoiding big names like Kripps because it would draw GGG most serious attention, with 3k+ fans of Kripps cursing GGG at the sidelines.
That's why they're making it to be seems random, while in truth, it was all sequenced and perfectly planed.

That, is misdirection.

I might be look as a conspiracy nut by now, but believe me, this is, by far, the most possible hacking scenario PoE had right now.

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Chris wrote:

The issue with this is that fake hack reports can scam people who traded with the person claiming they were hacked. We already have examples of people who perform trades that they regret so that they claim they were hacked after muling their items to another account they control.

i'm not saying that it wouldn't be abusable, but here you have a multitude of cases, all in the same day, all before additional security features. Plus in a trade you give something in exchange of something else, it's not the case of anyone here, and furthermore a trade wouldn't not have a login incompatible with the owner location, and the cases of mules, well, while they are a waste of time for you to check, even if you rollback both accounts and not duplicate items it wouldn't be an issue.

Hey Chris, I feel your original post didn't put enough emphasis on the whole "Ban for using hack software" issue. Is that a separate upcoming topic?

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Kurtosis wrote:

i'm not saying that it wouldn't be abusable, but here you have a multitude of cases, all in the same day, all before additional security features. Plus in a trade you give something in exchange of something else, it's not the case of anyone here, and furthermore a trade wouldn't not have a login incompatible with the owner location

You couldn't automate it, not unless you want people just specifying person XYZ stole from them then specifying some phat loots and getting that players phat loots.

There needs to be human intervention and the amount of human intervention required would be insane. Blizzard doesn't even do it.

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Chris wrote:

We often have users write into support complaining about side effects of their maphacks, only to later report the same day that their items have been stolen. It is worth pointing out that these hack programs are bannable, and while we haven't yet done a banwave, the thousands of people who use them will lose their accounts due to it if they are still running them as we turn on our countermeasures.

As they should. Thank you for taking the time to add these measures.

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darkro90 wrote:

IF they can figure out the exploits that PoE security system has, they would be also clever enough to know that hacking those accounts you're mentioned are basically suicide of their own methods.

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That's why they're targeting mid to high level players that no one about, but also profitable to be targeted.
That's why they're avoiding big names like Kripps because it would draw GGG most serious attention, with 3k+ fans of Kripps cursing GGG at the sidelines.
That's why they're making it to be seems random, while in truth, it was all sequenced and perfectly planed.

I'm not saying that I think this is what's happening, but it does seem perfectly plausible.

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

You couldn't automate it, not unless you want people just specifying person XYZ stole from them then specifying some phat loots and getting that players phat loots.

There needs to be human intervention and the amount of human intervention required would be insane. Blizzard doesn't even do it.

Look I understand that, honestly I'm fine with the rules and general decisions, but those makes sense in a normal day to day stable situation. If you have a wave of hacked accounts you can't seriously say we can't consider giving items back because there might be a few scams, since you could check for them. Obviously something went wrong, regardless of the responsibilities, you should consider this as something special that require a special attention. To say it another way, you have this rule to prevent a minority of scammers to grief a majority of players, now though, it limits what you can do for a majority because of the minority of potential scammers. (when a say majority i don't mean that a majority of the player base was hacked, but that they are way more, in this case, than the number of potential trade scams)

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