[R.I.P.] life Mjolner done right by Rico - Juggernaut version - R.I.P. thx to "balancing" policy

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Anbokr wrote:

edit: Looks like Flow does indeed work based on the screenshot you posted in the other thread and the discussion should definitely shift to precisely what number is the best for cyclone attack time. Seems like based on your earlier assumption that ~4.5 aps is the holy grail?


Anyhow, here's my new tree that I switched to at level 94 simply because I wanted more intelligence to free up some potential ring changes and also wanted a bit more life: https://pastebin.com/KsSCLPn2.

The optimal level for this kind of tree is definitely 96 though, shooting for that. If you don't really need the int though the old tree is probably better (not taking those life/mana nodes in witch area).

I would use this tree: https://pastebin.com/tARmCAmJ

Serves you better (accuracy, attack speed and life regen per endurance charge that I've missed) and needs lower lvl if u remove Amplify or one jevel socket.


EDIT: Also read my previous post regarding cyclone aps.

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RicoKGB wrote:

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Anbokr wrote:

edit: Looks like Flow does indeed work based on the screenshot you posted in the other thread and the discussion should definitely shift to precisely what number is the best for cyclone attack time. Seems like based on your earlier assumption that ~4.5 aps is the holy grail?


Anyhow, here's my new tree that I switched to at level 94 simply because I wanted more intelligence to free up some potential ring changes and also wanted a bit more life: https://pastebin.com/KsSCLPn2.

The optimal level for this kind of tree is definitely 96 though, shooting for that. If you don't really need the int though the old tree is probably better (not taking those life/mana nodes in witch area).

I would use this tree: https://pastebin.com/tARmCAmJ

Serves you better (accuracy, attack speed and life regen per endurance charge that I've missed) and needs lower lvl if u remove Amplify or one jevel socket.


EDIT: Also read my previous post regarding cyclone aps.

Damn, thanks for the feedback, that's actually some nice optimization. I'm even going to alter a few nodes to pick up that extra ele damage jewel slot, that'll be value. Perhaps drop the life regen jewel slot, but I might just leave both -- they are both pretty nice value jewel slots especially for a strong 4 mod jewel.

Ran like 25 uber labs today and couldn't get the damage pen enchant, feelsbadman. Anyhow, next order of business is to get that enchant and then try to balance my rezzes for wise oak because that flask is just hella OP still. Tricky though, might have to shuffle around some jewels or I guess the easiest route is to lower my ice and lightning purities -- losing 1% ice or lightning max res isn't a big deal to me.

edit: So I saw your previous post on 4.5 to 4.7 optimal APS -- think I will pick up that tri-attack speed node near scion life to put me at 4.61 APS. That, or I use a jewel with at least 10% total attack speed increase. So new to-do list 1) re-do tree similar to your suggestion, but picking up an extra jewel slot. 2) use jewel slot to balance resistances (sadly lower lightning purity a bit and lose 1 max res) and pick up wise oak 3) get the damn damage pen enchant from uber lab.

Quick question though regarding this optimal window -- doesn't The Flow Untethered's 8s slipstream / 20% action time buff screw this up? So do we just not want to summon our Harbinger minion? If so, that's a definite feels bad man :(.

For getting the right enchantment easier you can buy sealed prophecies that grants two uses of enchantment device after completing the labirynth.

Now from what I've noticed Harbinger's of time aura only affects movement speed.

Hmmm are you sure? I thought it was a slipstream that affected speed, and that speed was basically action time + movement packed in one. 20% multiplicative to move speed, attack speed, cast animations, etc... I think you should notice it on bosses too if I'm not mistaken, when the slipstream activates around you -- they will begin to attack quite rapidly.

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Anbokr wrote:

Hmmm are you sure? I thought it was a slipstream that affected speed, and that speed was basically action time + movement packed in one. 20% multiplicative to move speed, attack speed, cast animations, etc... I think you should notice it on bosses too if I'm not mistaken, when the slipstream activates around you -- they will begin to attack quite rapidly.

We may verify this - check your cyclone tooltip aps with and without Harbingers aura.

Well making any progression this league is realy hard for us mjolner wielders. I'm looking for a repentance with ele weak on hit with proper colours but there is only one on the market same with 6l kingsguard only one is for sale and the guy is offline since forever :( I corrupted about 30 repentance by myself but as always no luck there. I'm considering selling my gear and try out something new.

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intermission140 wrote:

Well making any progression this league is realy hard for us mjolner wielders. I'm looking for a repentance with ele weak on hit with proper colours but there is only one on the market same with 6l kingsguard only one is for sale and the guy is offline since forever :( I corrupted about 30 repentance by myself but as always no luck there. I'm considering selling my gear and try out something new.

If you can spare the link somewhere, just throw ele weakness on your cwdt with blade vortex or immortal call. I ran with ele weakness on cwdt and a 0% reduced spell repentance for a long time and it was great.

In other news, here's my finalized path of building for now: https://pastebin.com/77WKcXYy.

Got my cyclone aps above 4.5, matched resists to add wise oak, and changed up the tree a bit thanks to Rico's suggestion. Now all that's left is to get those damage pen boots (just want a pair for shaper, life regen is better for pretty much everything else imo). I'm also completely broke now xD; I think I've dropped well over 3000 chaos into min/maxing this character. Wew.

I'm also going to test out cyclone without blood magic for a bit and see if I can run it just fine on a 100 mana pool; so that I can recolor my kingsguard and throw in something like culling strike or increased AoE.

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Anbokr wrote:

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intermission140 wrote:

Well making any progression this league is realy hard for us mjolner wielders. I'm looking for a repentance with ele weak on hit with proper colours but there is only one on the market same with 6l kingsguard only one is for sale and the guy is offline since forever :( I corrupted about 30 repentance by myself but as always no luck there. I'm considering selling my gear and try out something new.

If you can spare the link somewhere, just throw ele weakness on your cwdt with blade vortex or immortal call. I ran with ele weakness on cwdt and a 0% reduced spell repentance for a long time and it was great.

In other news, here's my finalized path of building for now: https://pastebin.com/77WKcXYy.

Got my cyclone aps above 4.5, matched resists to add wise oak, and changed up the tree a bit thanks to Rico's suggestion. Now all that's left is to get those damage pen boots (just want a pair for shaper, life regen is better for pretty much everything else imo). I'm also completely broke now xD; I think I've dropped well over 3000 chaos into min/maxing this character. Wew.

I'm also going to test out cyclone without blood magic for a bit and see if I can run it just fine on a 100 mana pool; so that I can recolor my kingsguard and throw in something like culling strike or increased AoE.

Great! And how the build is working for you regarding clear speed, tankiness, boss dmg?

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RicoKGB wrote:

Great! And how the build is working for you regarding clear speed, tankiness, boss dmg?

Didn't get to play much today after the optimizations but in terms of all three it feels very solid. Just run through maps with slipstream + devoto's shield charge 1 shotting mobs (I like to run inc AoE over arc in order to maximize the shield charge discharge explosion radius and minimize cyclone usage); swap in conc effect for bosses and most t11-t15 die in under 5-6s. Guardians are fast and can generally be face tanked.

I'll report back later this week when I get some more time on how Guardians/Shaper feel after the gear and tree changes, and after I get the boot enchant.

Obviously, we're not a 2 million dps wander, doomfletch, bladeflurry new double dip abuse build but the build is very fun and brings back a bit of the glory discharge days. Good clear speed, tankiness, and boss killing -- not the best by far in each category but well balanced and strong in all 3 respects.

In other news instead of recoloring my kingsguard, I just threw shield charge in the old blood magic link and freed up a cwdt immortal call setup (I wasn't running immortal call before lol). Debating if I want to attach it to the level 1 cwdt blade vortex set up and throw in some increased durations, or attach it to a separate level 20 cwdt level setup but no inc durations.

I've played a lot of characters in the last 5-6 leagues and I usually get bored when I get them to 90-92. This is my highest level char so far and looking to go to 96ish probably before retiring for the next league. Thanks for the help and inspiration rico, and thanks to some of the other guys too, on here and on the ladder - the mjolner theorycrafters across all the builds are all legit asf and very helpful.

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Anbokr wrote:

I'll report back later this week when I get some more time on how Guardians/Shaper feel after the gear and tree changes, and after I get the boot enchant.

Hey, can you upload some VIDS too? tyvm :-)