[R.I.P.] life Mjolner done right by Rico - Juggernaut version - R.I.P. thx to "balancing" policy

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shrunn57 wrote:

Let me ask again more clearly.

At some point, it became recommended to use arc instead of a second support for discharge. When I look at the PoB calcs, it shows about a third lower discharge damage without the support. The calculated arc dps does not make up for this, but this may only be for single targets. It also assumes enemy is shocked.

I'd appreciate a pointer to where the advantages of arc are explained or discussed. I have been playing with discharge/elemfocus/conceff, but now have arc at the same level. Would like to understand what should be different or better if I change it.


edit: I found some discussion of arc in this thread in pages 200 to 203. It looks like arc is better than a support both for boosting clear speed but also single target DPS due to boosting discharge via charges. However, it may be that the full benefit comes with level 21 arc (gaining an 8th chain), which is a bit pricey for me.

In testing in maps it looks like arc clears trash farther out and helps clear speed. On the maps I've done, the bosses don't last long enough to really compare. If anyone has time-tested arc vs. support on T16 or red elder or similarly long fights, would like to know how they differ.

Arc clear speed is very good. Thats one point. Arc generates additional charges per cast for your next discharge, meaning each discharge will trigger with +1 power charge or even with +max power charges (due to Inyas 25% chance for that). Thats another point. Arc alone does very good single target DPS. Thats a third point.

When comparing Arc vs Discharge in PoB you should really do it right. I mean theres like 0% chance your average Discharge damage will be as PoB shows you because it shows you Discharge @ full charges. Set your number of active charges for Discharge as follows: 3 PCs and 5 ECs or just use 68% multiplier on what PoB shows you as Discharge damage per use (or DPU). Now compare with Arc DPS.

TL;DR you will get similar DPS results of Arc + Discharge vs Discharge with 2 supports. But you will get better healing and better clear speed with Arc.

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mrpilhas wrote:

Hi mate! Going to give this a try since I got some currency and I'm already bored of what I'm playing (and bored of being squishy for those syndicate encounters). One question, in your guide you say "Current Mjolner tree progression (assuming corrupted Volls)". Are we supposed to get a corrupted Volls? And what corruption are we looking for? Is this essential? Sorry in advance if this was already answered. I searched for a bit but couldn't find any info.
Cheers

Clean Volls is in 99% better. Tree progression "is assuming" corrupted volls so you wont have stats problems. The other 1% is +1 to max resistances or +1 curse corruption on Volls.

Thank you for the quick answer. Already got one :)
Need another doubt cleared, if you don't mind: 5L setup for the cyclone? What should I drop? Already spent 200 fuses and not even a 5L...story of my life, every freaking league (sorry for the rant)

Add Accuracy.


Now for anyone intrested in Witch:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2280138/page/1#p16055662

Hey there,

the boss dmg feels kinda underwhelming.
couldnt manage to get a devotos with discharge enchant yet.

will good jewels + gem lvls/quality make a significant difference ?

love this build

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RicoKGB wrote:

Add Accuracy.


Now for anyone intrested in Witch:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2280138/page/1#p16055662

Goddammit, Rico. And here I am, spamming to get the 3r3g Kingsguard.

Hello,

First of all thank you very much for the AMAZING guide, Rico!

I fall in love with the discharge spell ever since I saw it couple of years ago, but then I also really liked the RF builds and when I saw your guide using both of them I felt like it is Christmas in mid-summer.


However, since I really liked both spells I took a bit different approach to your build (I hope you don't mind) to fit my personal playstyle.
Instead of Devoto I'm using a rare helmet for a 6L RF (the +1 all max res + legacy Saffell's Frame helps a lot to sustain that) and I did compensate the Attack Speed from Devoto(which we really need to get that 6-6.5 sweet spot) by using a 10% AS Romira + 7% AS Mjoner (currently working to get it) and then with 7%+ AS on all jewels I should be able to get 6.03 APS according to PoB. Also still missing the +1 all max res Kingsguard, it is really expensive, but will get there eventually :)

Here is my skill tree:

And here is my gear:

So far I have 2 problems/questions and if anyone can help me with that I would be really grateful.
1. I'm not really sure how the arcane surge support+swift affliction support gems work (if they work at all) to be honest I'm not sure if the 6L on the helmet is the best 6L for RF at all it is just something I found online.

2. My Righteous Fire outer ring disappears all the time which really, really bothers me since I want to know my skill range also I want to see that cool spell.

Any other advice/critic is very welcome!
Thanks again for the AWESOME guide.

Downed shaper, died once due to a dumb mistake, was kind of slow compared to other builds, what can i do to improve damage?
My cyclone aps is 5.6 with onslaught active

Hey, not sure what im missing but cant get higher then 5.80 Aps. and thats with 6 jewels with 17% inc attack speed. im leveling the char atm so its in PoB im trying to get higher then 6 Aps. i got 21/20 faster attacks, onslaught on.

EDIT: im stupid. i forgot to put the points in juggernaut. :D at 6.42 Aps. now with 6 Jewels