3.2 Melee Skellington NO BARON HELM! NO STRENGTH STACKING>? Do 300k damage on a 5 link!

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La_Nague wrote:

i have looked at 0palescent build, i have some questions since i am new and this is kind of a completely new build.


There are some free gem slots i think is that for spectre?
Is the ES enough? Especially without zombie blockers? Should i try for life build first?
I noticed 95% mana reserved with only 1 cast of skeletons available from remaining mana?

Since you are new here is nearly everything you will ever need to know about summoners. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1704143 Ghazzy is awesome for this.

I am avoiding specters entirely actually I think the Skelly will be enough.

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NJLGrimm wrote:

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La_Nague wrote:

i have looked at 0palescent build, i have some questions since i am new and this is kind of a completely new build.


There are some free gem slots i think is that for spectre?
Is the ES enough? Especially without zombie blockers? Should i try for life build first?
I noticed 95% mana reserved with only 1 cast of skeletons available from remaining mana?

Since you are new here is nearly everything you will ever need to know about summoners. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1704143 Ghazzy is awesome for this.

I am avoiding specters entirely actually I think the Skelly will be enough.

Not to mention I personally don't think specs are that hot without Soul Weaver, and taking that robs you of Puppet or Commander. I'm leaning torward pure Calcium Warriors as well.

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JoeODanger wrote:

Not to mention I personally don't think specs are that hot without Soul Weaver, and taking that robs you of Puppet or Commander. I'm leaning torward pure Calcium Warriors as well.

I completly agree

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Keyen wrote:

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CoolColJ wrote:

If you use vulnerability, the zombies can proc the bleed, and then bloodlust for skeles for more damage, on bosses anyway.
Or such spectres like sand leapers and Kitava's Heralds for bleed, very tanky

can get 315k DPS that way per skele vs shaper

324k with multi-strike

don't even need ele damage

239k on a 5 link

or 342k Shaper DPS with dual curse and Puppet Master - don't see the point of Mistress of Sacrifice, unless using Spirit Offering for more EHP to yourself

For mapping I'd swap in Maim for Bloodlust

I give a lot of thoughs to bloodlust, and I came to the conclusion it's not worth it.

Yeah, you get more dps, but you get heavy condition to get that dps.

Without bloodlust:
-You summon the skeletons
-You use arc, and you multiply by two your dps.

With bloodlust:
-You summon the zombies
-You summon the skeletons
-You use arc
-You resummon the zombies since they got one-shot (so, desecrate then raise zombie...).
-The zombies have to move to the enemy
-You pray for the zombie to get bleed fast enough (4% chance, with the curse effectiveness)

And if for some reason, you can't cast arc, you are not losing half your dps (which is already huge), but over two third.

Basically, the bloodlust setup decrease your dps in case you can't use arc, adds additionnal layer of gestion (zombies, which can be killed very quickly, etc), and cost additional sockets we don't really have.

The no-bloodlust setup is more consistant, since it works with minimal actions, is not screwed by hexproof, and is not dependant on zombies.


My 2c

You do not need to summon zombies all the time, once when logging in, and they stay for good.

I use zombies all the time in my spectre builds and they do not get one shot, plus you can link minion life on them and they will have over 10k life.
And if you use bone offering, even less so, which is a good idea for skellys since they don't have much life. Skeles are more likely to get one shot than zombies....

If you want something super tanky, then use Kitava's Heralds, they proc bleed, are aggressive, tank for you and have a lot of life, one of the highest life spectres.


You only need the bleed and bloodlust on bosses, like I said, you won't need it for trash and minor map bosses, but for guardians I would use it.

I have used bloodlust fine on my SRS builds with zombies/skeles and spectres proc'ing.
When you have a lot of things hitting, it procs very quickly.
There are also spectre's like Knitted Horror, Towering Figment which both use puncture, so 100% chance to bleed. Sandbleapers, less tanky, as well.


My usual setup in any minion build would be -

summon something
desecrate/offering
orb of storms or arc - only needed on rares and bosses, because trash gets one shot anyway
or CWC desecrate + offering with channel lightning spell

And EE only reduces resist by 50% it does not double your damage

this does not change wether I use bloodblust or not

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NJLGrimm wrote:

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JoeODanger wrote:

Not to mention I personally don't think specs are that hot without Soul Weaver, and taking that robs you of Puppet or Commander. I'm leaning torward pure Calcium Warriors as well.

I completly agree

Do you guys/gals have a Melee Skeleton build w/ out Specters? I was going to follow Ghazzy's build, but I'm really not wanting to deal with Specters I've never used them before, and they seem like they require more game knowledge than I have, but I want a really strong build.

I wanna make a "Zoo' necro build, any advice? =\

How do you level with this? Can you use skelies from the start or? If someone can help with that. I really want to play this

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CoolColJ wrote:

And EE only reduces resist by 50% it does not double your damage

this does not change wether I use bloodblust or not

Arc has curse on hit on it. It means if you can't use it, I lose elemental weakness + frostbite, and in your case, you lose elemental weakness + vulnerability (no more bleed). And I mean in a shaper situation. If there is more curse effectiveness, it's worse.

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Medoo wrote:

How do you level with this? Can you use skelies from the start or? If someone can help with that. I really want to play this

How I'm going to do it is SRS until 2nd lab, and then melee skells from then on. I'll switch to mages again if I'm not digging the melee clear by the time all the movespeed items and nodes are in place although I don't really think it's going to feel bad at all.

Can someone post a leveling tree for those of us who dont have pastebin pls?

what 500% move speed skeles looks like :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9F8MNK4lCs