Tencent has Invested in Grinding Gear Games

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Sabranic_SilverDeth wrote:

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vacii wrote:

You sir need to be quoted on every page, ignorance is dominant here, and we, the sane, need to fight against it !

If you think your smarmy, dismissive and disdainful attitude is going to convince me to buy more supporter packs, you are wrong. In fact, you have nearly single highhandedly convinced me to stop spending money all together. For reference, I've dumped 80.00(USD) a month into PoE for more than a year. I've spent as much on this game as I spent in a decade playing Dark Age of Camelot.

I've paid for the right to speak out when I dislike the direction the game is going in. GGG is free to - and will - ignore me. But I'll squeak just the same. I've seen this sort of disaster replay too many times before, with the same canned "everything is fine, we retain creative control" PR spin to just sit on my hands, and continue to throw money an my time into something that might be about to head down faster than an express escalator to hell.

You're embarassing for feeling the need to be entitled as you bought those supporter packs to support them, meaning you provide them with money so they can advance however they like. If you really want your voice to be heard, go be a stakeholder and have an impact however you like. I dont understand how for some reason you cant trust a successful company like Tencent, who is successful for a reason (which is players paying out for something they enjoy). Anyways, stop feeling entitled because you supported the company. You're just a normie like the rest of us...

" I've paid for my right to speak" talk about an entitled cry baby

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Sabranic_SilverDeth wrote:

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vacii wrote:

You sir need to be quoted on every page, ignorance is dominant here, and we, the sane, need to fight against it !

If you think your smarmy, dismissive and disdainful attitude is going to convince me to buy more supporter packs, you are wrong. In fact, you have nearly single highhandedly convinced me to stop spending money all together. For reference, I've dumped 80.00(USD) a month into PoE for more than a year. I've spent as much on this game as I spent in a decade playing Dark Age of Camelot.

I've paid for the right to speak out when I dislike the direction the game is going in. GGG is free to - and will - ignore me. But I'll squeak just the same. I've seen this sort of disaster replay too many times before, with the same canned "everything is fine, we retain creative control" PR spin to just sit on my hands, and continue to throw money an my time into something that might be about to head down faster than an express escalator to hell.

Actually, you are what is wrong with the world. YOU DID NOT PAY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK OUT. EVERYONE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH THEY SPENT.

Why do i feel that you think you have bought influence with your 80$ a month? Would it be OK if the context was not a video game but politics, would it be OK to feel entitled to influencing decisions just because you paid for it?

Let's play the "What if?" game, what if GGG went full public corp ... would you buy shares without expecting a quarterly check? Get out of your bubble enter the real world please.

Lmao just look at the monthly players and top streamers of the game , you never played the game stop acting like some reddit god cock suckers , they all say that the game is dying , and just by looking at the amount of daily connection you can clearly see that it's dying so fu.

"a majority stake"

very bad idea to give up control, regardless of what tencent said they can (and someday will) make the final decisions.

are you guys that starved for money ?

are just uber greedy ?

the fans have been supporting you guys very well (myself included).

this will come back to bite you in the ass someday.

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Miffy23 wrote:

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Sabranic_SilverDeth wrote:

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vacii wrote:

You sir need to be quoted on every page, ignorance is dominant here, and we, the sane, need to fight against it !

If you think your smarmy, dismissive and disdainful attitude is going to convince me to buy more supporter packs, you are wrong. In fact, you have nearly single highhandedly convinced me to stop spending money all together. For reference, I've dumped 80.00(USD) a month into PoE for more than a year. I've spent as much on this game as I spent in a decade playing Dark Age of Camelot.

I've paid for the right to speak out when I dislike the direction the game is going in. GGG is free to - and will - ignore me. But I'll squeak just the same. I've seen this sort of disaster replay too many times before, with the same canned "everything is fine, we retain creative control" PR spin to just sit on my hands, and continue to throw money an my time into something that might be about to head down faster than an express escalator to hell.

Nobody is censoring you, nor telling you how to spend your money. Some people with a bit of a different (dare I say, slightly more balanced) perspective are simply disagreeing with your hyperbole and paranoia.

Once any kind of evidence of actual negative changes to the development of GGG emerge, some of you will have a point. Before that point, all you are doing is creating negative buzz for a developer you claim to love so much you want to throw money at them all year.

These people are the same sheep they claim anybody who isn't with them supposedly are, except they would rather scream about how anything that changed instantly gets ruined because it's not something that appeals to them. The David vs Goliath era is long over, I want to see the games I play survive and thrive even if it means external investments are needed to make improvements. I reiterate, I'll vote with my damn wallet if this game goes down the tubes, but until then I feel that the players should set examples by giving the company which they supported for so long the benefit of the doubt until the changes actually negatively impact gameplay. And no, this doesn't mean whining about the lab or how xbox was going to kill creativity, because neither of those two things have to my knowledge occurred so far.

What I'm thinking happened here is GGG being unable to maintain all of the versions of the game effectively and if they increased their staff the income wouldn't be enough to pay for it. So they basically threw the chinese version to the sharks because it has the potential to be monetized more aggressively as that's almost expected on that market.

The problem is what will take priority when there's a design decision conflict, the version of the game that brings the most income and has your majority investor siting on it or the version that supports your original vision, whatever that may look like these days. Because I don't think tencent is willing to invest into doing two entirely separate versions of the game that branch off whenever something that's too grindy for the rest of the world rides into the chinese version.

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Captain_Proton_chan wrote:

"a majority stake"

very bad idea to give up control, regardless of what tencent said they can (and someday will) make the final decisions.

are you guys that starved for money ?

are just uber greedy ?

the fans have been supporting you guys very well (myself included).

this will come back to bite you in the ass someday.

Sure, just lemme know where you got your crystal ball from fam, I need it to see if my 100,000 shares in Tencent will appreciate 75% in a year or not. /s

Developers make games, Investors ruin games ( u can change games to any shit in world and that still be truth).

This just made me really sad. I can understand the business decision, and I'm not panicking about the game immediately being ruined cause I know that's not how these things work. I'm still looking forward to Incursion and the league after that and so on, but with a company like Tencent at the helm its obvious what's coming. Priorities will be shifted and set increasingly by those out of touch with the games community and who only care about holding onto players to maximize profit. The trust that GGG has carefully cultivated between its development team and the player base will slowly dwindle as a rift forms between what the players ask for and directives sent from on high meant to make the game more profitable or appeal to a wider audience. The game may even continue to grow for a long time, but the spirit of the community we have today will die. Replaced by ever increasing restrictions on the behavior and ability of players to self organize events. And the slow but sure death of things that don't bring in money such as lore.

To those people who think I'm crazy or stupid. I want to be wrong. I really do. I'd love to be able to fire up PoE 5 years from now and be able to create cool melee characters in the same environment we have today. But face these facts. From the start PoE was a passion project by a small group of people to create something successful. They found success and still have some passion at least, but nothing goes on forever. The game was going to die eventually. It's just still sad to get this news, because it is such a clear marker for most of us that have been around the block of this games future.

See you all in Incursion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJiMvDEKhxA

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Miffy23 wrote:

Once any kind of evidence of actual negative changes to the development of GGG emerge, some of you will have a point. Before that point, all you are doing is creating negative buzz for a developer you claim to love so much you want to throw money at them all year.

Actually, alongside evidence and a perfectly valid point I have something else - it's a little thing called "pattern recognition."

My position is quite sensible and justified - there is concern that this game will follow in the footsteps of every single other studio that has been "acquired" by a mega corp. This degradation may lead to me no longer being interested in playing. Now that this is a legitimate concern, I can't justify spending time or money on the game.

This is a basic principle of investment - weather it's stocks, bonds, mutual funds, municipalities or a video game. My money is valuable - my time is MORE valuable. If I even THINK PoE is heading in the direction of Blizzard/Bioware/Black Isle/Runic/Flagship/Bullfrog/Pandemonium/Condor/etc/etc, then I am out.

Stability is golden. The lack of it is worse than even stagnation.

This decision makes me question my investments in time and money. Both will be on hold until I am very assured that GGG manages to defy the fate of every single one of it's predecessors.