Minecraft creator and fellow Exile Notch banned from 10 year anniversary celebration for wrongthink

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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Boem wrote:

I look like a hippie and i am sure people have prejudice against me when i walk around in my loose shirts and run down pants, black beard and long hair.

So fucking what?

It's nice to agree on something. In a discussion touching on things like homophobia, racism, misogyny, transphobia, "so what" is indeed an appropriate response to this idea of prejudice against, uh, people with loose shirts and long hair.

Please tell me where you live.

I'm curious about a nation where people smell sexual orientation and hippie's are the ruling class.

Peace,

-Boem-

It's not clear what you're saying there, could you rephrase your point? It sounds a bit like you think I said "prejudice against hippies doesn't exist" or something, but I didn't.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

It's not clear what you're saying there, could you rephrase your point? It sounds a bit like you think I said "prejudice against hippies doesn't exist" or something, but I didn't.

Don't be silly, my assertion was that you think prejudice comes in different forms and categories where one outranks the other.

And i'm naturally intrigued by people being able to smell sexual orientation, i enjoy weird factoids like that.

Peace,

-Boem-

Still don't see why you suddenly brought up "smelling sexual orientation" as being characteristic of where I live. But sure, I'm the one being silly.

I do not use the term 'prejudice' to describe problems like racism, because they are about power dynamics too, not just people thinking poorly of others. My assertion is that problems that involve deeply entrenched power structures causing sustained harm to particular communities are vastly more serious than "someone thought I was dumb once because I dress like a hippie". My assertion is that bringing the latter up as if it's comparable is an insulting minimisation of substantial problems.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

Still don't see why you suddenly brought up "smelling sexual orientation" as being characteristic of where I live. But sure, I'm the one being silly.

I do not use the term 'prejudice' to describe problems like racism, because they are about power dynamics too, not just people thinking poorly of others. My assertion is that problems that involve deeply entrenched power structures causing sustained harm to particular communities are vastly more serious than "someone thought I was dumb once because I dress like a hippie". My assertion is that bringing the latter up as if it's comparable is an insulting minimisation of substantial problems.

How does one perceive sexual orientation exactly?

Funny thing about power, it only works when you give it away.

Also in the meantime i was thinking about a stellar idea.

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Fringe fighter!!!

The fighting game where all forms of bigotry fight one another for a place at the top.

Including characters like fuego the jewish latino teakwando specialist that identify's as a furry and mohammed the apostate gay muslim boxer with one hand(the backstory reveals he only stole half a pair of shoes)

The genius of this fighting game is that it randomizes the backstory and characteristics of every fighter and gives them random health points based on disadvantages and social pressures.

Be one of the lucky ones to draw the "straight white male" ticket that grants invulnerability to your character once in every five thousand randomized rolls!

Pre-order today and get a free fringe fighters poster!

Imagine street fighter, but much better costumes, accessories and more elaborate backstories to pull you in.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

How does one perceive sexual orientation exactly?

I'm not here to answer questions about things I haven't said. Make a point or don't, I don't mind either way.

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Boem wrote:

Funny thing about power, it only works when you give it away.

Rhetoric similar to this can be useful to help remind people that they are strong as a community and that organisation and collective action matters. But this phrasing is far too reductive, and essentially transforms that potentially valuable idea into victim-blaming nonsense.

Genocide, for instance, is an act of the exertion of power. It is absolutely not a people organising to collectively give their lives away, and unfortunately it still "works" without anything close to consent.

Hiy now, you brought up homophobia and transphobia.

Genocide is the giving away of individual power to the state in order to divert responsibility of action.

Not from the victims, but from the actors committing the crime.

Can i assume you don't think every single german resident in the time of the third reich was actually intent on exterminating the jewish population to give one example of genocide.

If you create enough chains of command you can diffuse responsibility, that's how those systems operated and where successfull.(and that word seems incredibly out of place here, but if were talking destroying the individual self and his inherent power to uphold morals, it is accurate)

It's still the giving away of power.

And no, it's not victim blaming nonsense. If every single individual in the third reich refused to capitulate his morals we wouldn't be talking about the hollocaust nowadays.

Though arguably we would be lamenting the murder of milions of resisting german residents.
One could say there would be honor in a such a death though that would ring hollow for familie and loved ones. Assuming they wouldn't be the first to visit sint-pieters in order to break people which is usually how oppresive regimes move strong-willed people to action.

Nothing as motivating for an honorable human being then a pistol inside the mouth of his/her child while it's crying in absolute terror.

My point remains, power is only relevant once you outsource it.

Peace,

-Boem-

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

My assertion is that problems that involve deeply entrenched power structures causing sustained harm to particular communities are vastly more serious than "someone thought I was dumb once because I dress like a hippie".

Name the power structures. Proper names only, please. For example, you could say "Breitbart" or "the US Dept of Justice." Please explain what specific actions are being performed to cause sustained harm.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

But you have been promoting an openly racist, equality-of-outcome-based policy, and I don't see any reason to back down on my condemnation of that vile policy. Racial quotas are ethnocommunism. Disagree or disavow.

Quotas are not necessarily an equality of outcome device, they are also in the substantive model of equality of opportunity.

I haven't mentioned racial quotas yet, though I will shortly. What I meant was (and I thought it pretty clear) that you need to have some device to counteract the rampant inequality (income/wealth) in your country or wherever. Underpriviledged kids from poor backgrounds would be the suitable candidates here, not only for scholarships and the likes (cause of insane tuition fees) but also for getting a foot in the door with a quota. It's terribly hard to compete when the game was rigged already, you were born into poverty and went to terribad schools to try and get into university.

Now the criteria could feasibly be race IF it was proven that said race is underpriviledged in the current society, possibly due to past events. I'm not a 100% sure, but if it's anything like Canada, Native Americans are afforded some positive discrimination due to race in the US, too, and I frankly don't see anything wrong with that either due to current situation and past history of them.

You guys are still under the illusion income and 'class' mobility exists in the US and it's the land of dreams and the hopeful. Even your Nobel prize winning economist, Stiglitz, has demonstrated how woefully wrong that is in this day and age. People stay where they are mostly, and very little can change that. At least correct an imbalance, and do some good in the world for once.

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Boem wrote:

And no, it's not victim blaming nonsense. If every single individual in the third reich refused to capitulate his morals we wouldn't be talking about the hollocaust nowadays.

Though arguably we would be lamenting the murder of milions of resisting german residents.

You stated that power only works when you give it away. Then your example of people not giving away their power ends with them being collectively murdered by those in power.

I mean sure, you can then walk that back to "well if they didn't accept that government in the first place..." etc etc. I just initially assumed that you meant the people "giving power away" were on the victims side of the equation, because otherwise you're not really saying anything other than..."people's actions have consequences". And, you know, that's fine! I wouldn't call it a "funny thing about power", personally, but hey, to each their own.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Name the power structures.

I'm not your research assistant, don't tell me what to do. This is a completely unreasonable thing to demand; it's not remotely possible for me (or anyone, really) to provide you with a list of all the structures that contribute to causing harm to any number of communities, some disparate and some overlapping. That you already understand the list would contain things like media organisations and sectors of governments suggests you're entirely capable of investigating further yourself, so please don't waste my time with performative challenges.