[3.10] Gryph's Volatile Dead Necromancer || Fun, Medium Budget, Tanky, Millions of DPS

About the flasks: I can't both replace a magic flask with a dps unique flask, AND add curse/bleed immunity in... I see you went the offensive route, do you address bleeds/curses/poison/freeze elsewhere?
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vikdean wrote:
I've found something interesting, so I tough I share it.

I like to experiment with the minor details of the build, so I went end checked what other people are using on poe.ninja.

The major things are the same as in Gryphenprey's build, but there are some differences, which might make the build a little bit better.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?sort=dps&dps=Volatile-Dead

The most noticeable difference for me is the use of a lvl 7 Desecrate gem; the use of the Inspiration Support and maybe the amount of Curses they are using.

I would recommend checking a couple; you might find something interesting.
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/%EB%82%98%EB%B6%80%EC%A7%80/%EB%82%98%EB%8F%84%EB%A7%9D?i=0&search=sort%3Ddps%26dps%3DVolatile-Dead
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Ahako/Ahakoo?i=1&search=sort%3Ddps%26dps%3DVolatile-Dead
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Black_Fantom/BlackFRedd?i=2&search=sort%3Ddps%26dps%3DVolatile-Dead
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/markmarkov/PornSwordSugarComa?i=3&search=sort%3Ddps%26dps%3DVolatile-Dead

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My point was that PoB's calculation is probably incorrect. Also, I didnt really understand what you've been trying to say; is Spell Cascade in a 1-to-1 comparison better then CD or Aw. Fire Pen, or not?


Inspiration Support is what I used last league. They nerfed the gem and buffed monster resists making Awakened Fire much more appealing and more damage. Would not use Inspiration anymore.

In a 1-for-1 comparison of between Spell Cascade or Not Spell Cascade, Spell Cascade has a higher DPS ceiling. it will be more damage provided you can produce enough corpses to support it. I don't think giving up a 4L is worth the extra DPS and lag that comes with it. That is, and has always been, my stance on the gem.

Also on a side note, desecrate level 7 is the limit for CWDT level 1. I was literally too lazy to level it past 1. That's the only reason it's level 1. lol
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JiminiJ wrote:
About the flasks: I can't both replace a magic flask with a dps unique flask, AND add curse/bleed immunity in... I see you went the offensive route, do you address bleeds/curses/poison/freeze elsewhere?


I went with freeze immunity on one of my flasks, because if I'm frozen I can't cyclone and so can't regen or dodge stuff. I have immunity to corrupted blood on my jewel and I just outheal normal bleed. I don't care about poison at all, but if I did, I would probably get that one pantheon choice that gives poison immunity. I decided to just suffer through curses, as they're mostly annoying, not threatening. For flask suffixes, I'd rank freeze > bleed > curse in order of importance probably. For this particular build curses might be more important than bleed though since you can outheal it (except maybe corrupted blood, but again, I'm immune due to a jewel so unsure about that).
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Gryphenprey wrote:
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vikdean wrote:
I've found something interesting, so I tough I share it.

I like to experiment with the minor details of the build, so I went end checked what other people are using on poe.ninja.

The major things are the same as in Gryphenprey's build, but there are some differences, which might make the build a little bit better.

https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds?sort=dps&dps=Volatile-Dead

The most noticeable difference for me is the use of a lvl 7 Desecrate gem; the use of the Inspiration Support and maybe the amount of Curses they are using.

I would recommend checking a couple; you might find something interesting.
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/%EB%82%98%EB%B6%80%EC%A7%80/%EB%82%98%EB%8F%84%EB%A7%9D?i=0&search=sort%3Ddps%26dps%3DVolatile-Dead
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Ahako/Ahakoo?i=1&search=sort%3Ddps%26dps%3DVolatile-Dead
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/Black_Fantom/BlackFRedd?i=2&search=sort%3Ddps%26dps%3DVolatile-Dead
https://poe.ninja/challenge/builds/char/markmarkov/PornSwordSugarComa?i=3&search=sort%3Ddps%26dps%3DVolatile-Dead

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My point was that PoB's calculation is probably incorrect. Also, I didnt really understand what you've been trying to say; is Spell Cascade in a 1-to-1 comparison better then CD or Aw. Fire Pen, or not?


Inspiration Support is what I used last league. They nerfed the gem and buffed monster resists making Awakened Fire much more appealing and more damage. Would not use Inspiration anymore.

In a 1-for-1 comparison of between Spell Cascade or Not Spell Cascade, Spell Cascade has a higher DPS ceiling. it will be more damage provided you can produce enough corpses to support it. I don't think giving up a 4L is worth the extra DPS and lag that comes with it. That is, and has always been, my stance on the gem.

Also on a side note, desecrate level 7 is the limit for CWDT level 1. I was literally too lazy to level it past 1. That's the only reason it's level 1. lol

Thanks for the detailed answer.
Your dedication to supporting this build is hugely appreciated :)
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I never noticed a difference in clear speed and I like having the extra 3-4L setup. These sockets can be used for more utility with things like Culling Strike, PCOC, Curse(s), Golems, etc.


That oppurtunity cost can be debated for normal spell cascade, but i'll be totally impossible to beat awakened one with any utilities you can fit in that slot, at potential max of 15 VD and easily 12+ otherwise.

And it's way better after explosions fix now.
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WrongBlight wrote:
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I never noticed a difference in clear speed and I like having the extra 3-4L setup. These sockets can be used for more utility with things like Culling Strike, PCOC, Curse(s), Golems, etc.


That oppurtunity cost can be debated for normal spell cascade, but i'll be totally impossible to beat awakened one with any utilities you can fit in that slot, at potential max of 15 VD and easily 12+ otherwise.

And it's way better after explosions fix now.


Yeah with all the fixes I could see trying Awakened Spell Cascade.

PC will still it though. :P
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Gryphenprey wrote:
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WrongBlight wrote:
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I never noticed a difference in clear speed and I like having the extra 3-4L setup. These sockets can be used for more utility with things like Culling Strike, PCOC, Curse(s), Golems, etc.


That oppurtunity cost can be debated for normal spell cascade, but i'll be totally impossible to beat awakened one with any utilities you can fit in that slot, at potential max of 15 VD and easily 12+ otherwise.

And it's way better after explosions fix now.


Yeah with all the fixes I could see trying Awakened Spell Cascade.

PC will still it though. :P


persoally I didnt notice performabce differences with woke cascade
Hello, what do u guys think should be my next upgrade?
I was thinking in the staff, buy one with CWC, but mine is pretty good too... I've got no ideia of how to calculate which one would be better in damage.
Or maybe the watchers eye, so i can change the boots
Any clue?

Thanks
Last edited by ZerefStark#1280 on Jan 27, 2020, 7:17:33 PM
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ZerefStark wrote:
Hello, what do u guys think should be my next upgrade?
I was thinking in the staff, buy one with CWC, but mine is pretty good too... I've got no ideia of how to calculate which one would be better in damage.
Or maybe the watchers eye, so i can change the boots
Any clue?

Thanks


I'd go for a watcher's eye. Staff upgrade should be the last thing you look at.
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Gryphenprey wrote:
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ZerefStark wrote:
Hello, what do u guys think should be my next upgrade?
I was thinking in the staff, buy one with CWC, but mine is pretty good too... I've got no ideia of how to calculate which one would be better in damage.
Or maybe the watchers eye, so i can change the boots
Any clue?

Thanks


I'd go for a watcher's eye. Staff upgrade should be the last thing you look at.

Ok, thanks!
But do u think the rest of the build is fine so far? I mean, right rolls and etc(chest, for ex, although i'm trying to get the %life as ES craft, don't have it yet). Basically, not sure what i should upgrade, even after the watcher's eye
I'm not sure if it's better to use fire penetration, spell cascade or controlled destruction in the 6th link also, i'm using controlled, didn't try cascade or fire penetration...
Last edited by ZerefStark#1280 on Jan 27, 2020, 10:13:48 PM

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