0.10.4 Patch Notes

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Planetsurvival wrote:

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CanHasPants wrote:

/players x is broken for the same reason multi boxing is broken. Party drop rates are balanced around loot competition. Control all of the alts / proxies and you receive full iiq benefit without the competition. So. . .

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Planetsurvival wrote:

I dont want the hassle of groups, i dont like grouping.
I just want the same benefits as group play when i solo.
Is that so wrong?

. . . If you want the full benefit of group play without having to join a group, /players x would have to make loot randomly "disappear" over time. Otherwise you're gaining way more benefit than grouping.

And how does it hurt you and your *fun* if i play My way and have my *fun*.
Oh and guess why people solo?
Because of griefing and ninja-looting.

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knac84 wrote:

To the people QQ'ing about solo drop rate: Nothing has changed neither in this patch, neither in 0.10.3. Are you on drugs?

And about the chaos recipe, quit crying omfg, maybe farm >60 areas and you can still do the damn recipe. What do you want people farming in lvl 15 areas to have the same reward than people farming higher areas? Are you botters or what?

Multiboxer & botters tears are hilarious.

P.S: /playersx is bad bad bad design, if you want increased item quantity run with IQQ gear and pay the penalty ( not having other mods available).

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ailene2813 wrote:

While reading a lot of the posts, I came across a possible good idea how to fix the multiboxing AND distance problem that I find really easy and nice:

There's a post here talking about taking only those player into account for the loot-table, who did a minimum percentage of damage to the boss. How high this percentage should be needs to be tested, but wouldn't that solve some problems?

1) Now those multis even would have to be actively do damage to the bosses... not just standing around.

2) GGG can increase the distance for us long-range-attackers to be taken into account again.

3) Those players who just pop into a group-play and soloing alone, far away from the others, also only have a loot-table for one player. (OK, One issue would be still, that the rest, those who stay together and play the game as it is entended to be played, have the extra-health of the mobs. So add the possibility to show names on maps, then these players can be kicked more easily.)

Anyhow, great game and good ideas for patches! I still don't regret playing PoE after getting tired of D3's Paragon system. I like farming with/for my toon and getting upgrades once in a while. And in this I prefer PoE, having the possibilty to really craft useful stuff even in later game or buy it thru the trade channel or having the luck of a nice rare-drop...

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Chypre wrote:

You are ignoring the fact that monsters have +250% life and you don't have 5 people helping you kill the monsters. You have to be able to take on huge packs of champs mixed with rare bosses. Regen life mod + Vitality aura, for instance is hard.

We deserve a reward for this extra challenge. People who exploit multiboxing are not challenged and multiboxing still works. Again, for proof just watch this guy's stream sometime. He is offline now but streams regularly: http://www.twitch.tv/pibadi/new

This patch seems to have had absolutely no impact on his multiboxing farming. He is probably earning about 3x what I was soloing in Fellshrine (killing, not just "chesting"). He has way less challenge. He can just stand there and tank Cruel Merveil, bring his newbie characters in and collect piles of rares.

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Planetsurvival wrote:

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CanHasPants wrote:

/players x is broken for the same reason multi boxing is broken. Party drop rates are balanced around loot competition. Control all of the alts / proxies and you receive full iiq benefit without the competition. So. . .

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Planetsurvival wrote:

I dont want the hassle of groups, i dont like grouping.
I just want the same benefits as group play when i solo.
Is that so wrong?

. . . If you want the full benefit of group play without having to join a group, /players x would have to make loot randomly "disappear" over time. Otherwise you're gaining way more benefit than grouping.

Ive done math on droprates.
Its not that big of an increase in some cases.

And how does it hurt you and your *fun* if i play My way and have my *fun*.
Oh and guess why people solo?
Because of griefing and ninja-looting.

Math on drops:

LootUnitDropped = 1 for 1 player with 100% IIQ.
(((IIQ%/100)*(1/Players))*(DPS%VSSolo/EnemyHP%))*((100-TimespentRunning%)/100)

Solo with 100% IIQ and 50% running time:
(((100/100)*(1/1))*(100/100))*((100-50)/100)=0.5 LootUnitsDropped


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Party with no IIQ from gear (IIQ was nerfed recently too, apparently it applied multiple times):
(grind party with 600% DPS and 50% spent running).
0,5 Loot units for each player.

*Casual* Party with 400% DPS and no IIQ and 75% time spent running:
0,16 LootUnits for each player.

Party with 1 IIQ hoarder (400% IIQ) and 5 DPS (500% DPS) and 50% runnning time:
0.89 loot units for each player.

Party with 1 IIQ Hoarder (200% IIQ) and 5 *casuals* (250% DPS) and 75% running time:
0,16


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Solo with no extra IIQ and *players /6* or multiloading with 50% running time:
0,5 Loot units for the player.

Solo with bad gear (75% time spent running to accomodate for lacking dps) and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on normal::
0.25 Loot units for each player.

Solo with bad gear (75% running time) and 200% IIQ and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on normal::
0.39 loot units for the player.

Solo with 200% IIQ gear and good gear to give DPS (50% running time) and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on merciless:
0,78 lootUnits for the player.

Solo with 400% IIQ gear and good DPS (50% Running time) and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on normal:
1.07 LootUnits for each player.

Soloing with 400% IIQ and decent DPS (75% running time) and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on merciless:
0.53 Loot units for the player.

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Now unless my math is flawed i can make the following conclusion:
Soloing with 400% IIQ gear and 50% running time and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on normal, is the most effective way to gain loot.
Its 20% better then casual parties with a dedicated 400% IIQ last striker and good dps for the rest.
Its 668% better then a no IIQ and mediocre geared casual party.
Its 428% better then a solo grinding with no IIQ and no Players /6 or multiloading.
Its 200% better then Soloing with 400% IIQ and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on merciless.

So now to make conclusions:

For just farming items for recepies:
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Solo with 400% IIQ gear and good DPS 50% Running time and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on normal:
1.07 LootUnits for each player.
(might be 2x-3x more loot depending on HP of enemies on normal, the speed of each *farming run* is increased.)

2:
Solo with 200% IIQ gear and good gear to give DPS (50% running time) and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on normal:
0,78 lootUnits for the player.
(might be 2x-3x more loot depending on HP of enemies on normal, the speed of each *farming run* is increased.)

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For boss farming in merciless:
1:
Solo with 400% IIQ gear and good DPS 50% Running time and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on merciless:
1.07 LootUnits for each player.

2:
Party with 1 IIQ hoarder (400% IIQ) and 5 DPS (500% DPS) and 50% runnning time and using maps without IIQ increase on them:
0.89 loot units for each player.

3:
Solo with 200% IIQ gear and good gear to have good DPS (50% running time) and /players 6 or multi-loading and farming merveil/Vaal/the ledge on merciless:
0,78 lootUnits for the player.



Solo with players /6 or Multi-loading:
No need to group with badly designed grouping system.
Freedom to leave to eat and such things without interupting other players.
Risk of loosing XP on death is high due to not having other party members to spread the damage taken.

Grouping:
Synergy between skills is increased.
Spreading the damage taken reduces the amounts of deaths.
Needs co-ordination and people dedictated and smart enough to maximize gear efficiency.
Needs people that trust eachother and knows eachother.

Factors to consider:
Psychological loot-splosion factor, bigger loot drop = happier player.
Minimize time spent running from enemy group to enemy group.
Maximize DPS while considering defence and IIQ aswell.
Risk factors of area one farms in.
Penalty for being overleveled in an area.

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wadler wrote:

I have read posts talking of multi client abuse, I do not get why its called abuse here just because its not a mimic to how some like to play while in other games e.g. EVE online mutli boxing is rewarded with less monthly cost for multiple accounts and is so celebrated that people have you tube videos on their exorbitant computer/monitor setups. Also I can only personally use between 1 and 3 clients depending on if the missus is using the net too so where does the 6 clients come into it? If that were the norm then wouldn't I be using more than my 3 max? And yes I use 2 clients in eve online, I used more than one character in diablo and will use more than one character in any game that supports it if I so choose AND I will even have snide comments about people who can only use 1 client because they either have no idea how to or do not have the mental faculties to use more than 1...that's aimed at the half wits who by their words have insulted me by calling what I find fun as "abuse".

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andybmcc wrote:

So as a solo player am I penalized for killing out of range?