Multistrike kills Double Strike

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Josephoenix wrote:

Nivius you didn't understand my post, I was not referring to the mana cost of the supports (though that is important too).

I was referring to how LoH is now based on the damage efficiency of the skill and it's supports

i know. so was i.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The best bet is that Multistrike is structured similar to Lesser Multiple Projectiles, which also triples your attacks (but for ranged, not melee).

So expect 150% cost multiplier and 70% damage effectiveness; which would in turn lower your life on hit, right?

Yes, would be 28 Life per Hit instead of 40, but it would be quite alot of hit in a short time.

LoH isn't lowered exactly by the damage effectiveness. Cuz Cyclone is like 35% effectiveness, but the LoH is only lowered by like 40%, not lowered to, but lowered by..

They way I see it, it'll be another way to stack Elemental Damage. Because yes the 6 attacks will be reduced by the damage effectiveness of Double and Multi Strike, but the Elemental Damage won't.

Double Strike, Multi Strike, Melee Splash, Weapon Elemental Damage, Life Leech/Faster Attacks. The new Ele Cleave?

Though I personally look forward to Viper Strike shenanigans. Pain Attune, DW RedBeaks, Low-Life MultiStrike/Splash Viper Strike :P

Cyclone has 40 % Effectiveness now, not 35. Changed last patch.

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Serefkana wrote:

LoH isn't lowered exactly by the damage effectiveness. Cuz Cyclone is like 35% effectiveness, but the LoH is only lowered by like 40%, not lowered to, but lowered by..

They way I see it, it'll be another way to stack Elemental Damage. Because yes the 6 attacks will be reduced by the damage effectiveness of Double and Multi Strike, but the Elemental Damage won't.

Double Strike, Multi Strike, Melee Splash, Weapon Elemental Damage, Life Leech/Faster Attacks. The new Ele Cleave?

Though I personally look forward to Viper Strike shenanigans. Pain Attune, DW RedBeaks, Low-Life MultiStrike/Splash Viper Strike :P

Flat elemental damage is still scaled by effectiveness. Pretty sure Cyclone is 40% effectiveness, so you'll only get 40% of LoH, but you hit like crazy anyway.

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andybmcc wrote:

Flat elemental damage is still scaled by effectiveness. Pretty sure Cyclone is 40% effectiveness, so you'll only get 40% of LoH, but you hit like crazy anyway.

Weapon elemental damage isn't scaled by effectiveness, that is the whole reason why Elemental Cleave is so good. You hit twice for 100% of your elemental damage, not reduced by the effectiveness like the physical portion is.

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Serefkana wrote:

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andybmcc wrote:

Flat elemental damage is still scaled by effectiveness. Pretty sure Cyclone is 40% effectiveness, so you'll only get 40% of LoH, but you hit like crazy anyway.

Weapon elemental damage isn't scaled by effectiveness, that is the whole reason why Elemental Cleave is so good. You hit twice for 100% of your elemental damage, not reduced by the effectiveness like the physical portion is.

The reason elemental cleave is good is because when you dual wield, you have two hits per cleave to proc static blows.

EDIT: And each cleave will do 2 x 70% elemental damage ( due to effectiveness ).

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Serefkana wrote:

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andybmcc wrote:

Flat elemental damage is still scaled by effectiveness. Pretty sure Cyclone is 40% effectiveness, so you'll only get 40% of LoH, but you hit like crazy anyway.

Weapon elemental damage isn't scaled by effectiveness, that is the whole reason why Elemental Cleave is so good. You hit twice for 100% of your elemental damage, not reduced by the effectiveness like the physical portion is.

i think you're confused... cleave has both a damage effectiveness of 70% and reduced physical damage. what makes cleave good is the fact that it applies your flat elemental damage bonuses from auras, gems and gear (besides on the actual weapons) twice (at 70% effectiveness of course)

If this gem reduces damage effectiveness AND takes extra time to complete the attacks, then I'm afraid it will be a poor choice for a support gem.

If it doesn't take extra time to complete the extra attacks, then I think it'll be awesome.

Having used double strike till around 40(still using/leveling in exceptional cases and im 61) i can't imagine why in the world i would want to do 3x 2swing of doublestrike. I even used it with bloodrage and faster attack, i was hitting so fast it felt like i was breaking the game and i was goddly, till the difficulty ramps up so i switch main single target for Viper strike because it can do so much more and better.

Double strike deals A LOT of damage, mine was at 1.7k when my viper was barely 350. But its mostly overkill and you cant break animation, you have to end it. I feels like multistrike will just make it worse.
Multistrike will root you in place longer which is like the worst thing possible once youre higher diff, you need to dodge a lot of things all the time, you need to keep moving. god forbid you miss on a 6 swing, might as well implement a suicide option.

Big YES to STR splash damage but a big no to DEX more swing.