Toxic Actiblizz scandal and lawsuit

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Those who would cut out from under themselves the infrastructure that allows freedom of belief to exist on the scale that it does, are not deserving of that freedom, and unknowingly work against their own interests in dismantling it.

In some countries, people think they have too much freedom of speech. The lack in rules of speech and its regulation leading to its abuse of spreading lies and falsehood and too much liberty to give offence. Some people tend to regard freedom of speech as a universal good. Some people not so much or even regard it as harmful. Case by case basis on what is being said.

Are people only genuinely interested in their own answers or caring enough to try to understand what's being said?

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I think it's a relatively short leap from the first position to the second. As a wise Russian once said, the line separating good and evil passes through every human heart.

Oh sure.

In everyone's mind there is always a saint. But innately also a liar, a cheat, and the devil too.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Exile009 wrote:

I suppose id Software is the last AAA gaming company left to lose its sheen now.

I Googled "I'd software" and clicked on the news tab. Nothing scandalous. So maybe a link?

Also: it's not about the dark side being as bad as I imagine. It's about it being as bad as I remember.

mmm. i think the things we can see and identify most in others are things we recognise from our own experiences of being ourselves. understanding other people often comes from understanding ourselves, who we are and who we have been. not everything we see in others is a reflection of ourselves, but a lot of it is, certainly a lot of what we see and can really understand.

within that understanding i think acceptance and forgiveness is born. we can scorn these others for their wrong doing, but we cant completely reject and wish destruction on them any more than we could wish it upon ourselves, because we see ourselves within them. we see who we are or who we used to be, and from that stems a universal love and empathy that wishes for their redemption.

that is, presuming we are at peace with ourselves, maybe if we hate ourselves we are compelled to destroy the mirror that shows us our ugliness. i think this is the essence behind the saying that you cant love someone else until you love yourself. forgiveness starts with forgiving ourselves and finding our own peace.






what some of these people at blizzard have allegedly done i cant understand, i cannot relate to it, i cannot feel any sympathy or empathy with them, its just alien to me and it disgusts me.




im a moral relativist too, but in an abstract theoretical way. the way i look at life and the philosophy underpinning it theres theory and practice.

im sitting at a desk, theres a keyboard in front of me. is that keyboard real? yes. that is a practical truth, its a fact, there is a keyboard here. now, we have descartes, i think therefor i am... therefor i cannot be sure this keyboard exists. i buy into this theory, logic says that we have to be agnostic about everything beyond the fact we exist on some level. sure, it makes 100% sense.

but we have to live our lives and within our lives it doesnt serve any purpose to footnote every thought with "im 99.999% sure but cannot be 100% sure of anything because...". no, its pointless, in the world of theory everything is in doubt but in practical reality i am sure theres a keyboard in front of me, i am sure love exists, i am an atheist, im not gonna caveat every certainty with an unnecessary layer of theoretical uncertainty, even tho in the world of theory i completely believe in that uncertainty.


to me i treat morals the same, in the world of theory i completely buy into moral relativism. but in practice in this shared reality that may be largely an artificial construct... it doesnt matter, im not overly concerned with the specific underlying framework of it. it exists, we live within this reality and for me there are some moral certainties within this reality. i dont justify them with belief in a god or any other external prescription or doctrine, for me my own conviction in their rightness is enough within the realm of the practical life we live.


and for me, some of this behaviour that these blizzard employees are accused of crosses some of those lines. it goes beyond a place i can sympathise with and want to forgive.




how does that make me feel about their products? it certainly puts me off their company, loses most good will i have for the organisation. but we live in a world where the majority of power structures that we interact with on a day to day basis are engaged in morally objectionable behaviour on some level. if one were to boycott all organisations that cross those lines, if we were consistent with having no interaction with structures that are morally objectionable you couldnt even live in modern society. it would be impossible to exist living in a city having any kind of normal life, youd have to go live in the woods like a nutter.

am i gonna boycott their products if it turns out that these things are true and theres some really bad apples in their cart? no, i live in the toxic burning fires of hell, im not about to boycott a section of it because a couple of guys are smoking over there. but i will call them out for their behaviour, and i think thats fine, i dont feel any conflict in that stance.

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awesome999 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Those who would cut out from under themselves the infrastructure that allows freedom of belief to exist on the scale that it does, are not deserving of that freedom, and unknowingly work against their own interests in dismantling it.

In some countries, people think they have too much freedom of speech. The lack in rules of speech and its regulation leading to its abuse of spreading lies and falsehood and too much liberty to give offence. Some people tend to regard freedom of speech as a universal good. Some people not so much or even regard it as harmful. Case by case basis on what is being said.

the concept of freedom has a lot of different areas for sure.

often i think where freedoms matter in the world of debate is where they conflict right? it doesnt make sense to see freedom as a universally good or bad thing, not that i necessarily think scrotie is doing that, im just spitballing here.

a useful way to often look at freedom in these areas is freedom for and against. thats how important issues regarding freedom often play out, its a discussion of the freedom of one person to use that freedom against another persons freedom.


should person A have the freedom to live a safe life by removing the freedom of person B to murder them? or do we respect the freedom of person B kill person A and hence remove their freedom to live in safety?

we cant universally support the idea of freedom, its not inherently a good thing because where it really matters its often 2 conflicting freedoms that cannot co-exist, and we have to chose which freedom we respect and which we suppress.

should i be able to use my freedom of speech to harass and harm another person? or should they be free from my harassment? should i be free to con and exploit others with what i say? or should those people be free from my exploitation? i dont even think those examples are specific enough for me to answer, i would need more details before i could really weigh the options.




my natural instinct is to support freedom of speech and expression, but then when we get down to the grit where the rubber meets the road theres friction and uncertainty, and sometimes i will side with another freedom over freedom of speech.

And the slaughter continues.

I wonder if other ARPG developers are popping champagne over this... especially given Blizzard aggressively poached talent for D4.

PS just gave Blizzard 50 USD to beta play a game I beta played two decades ago. Don't judge me. That's my job, and I'm far better at it than you are. :)

hey, i pay taxes to a state that brought the world the colonisation of north america, australia, the occupation of india and the recent destruction of the middle east. if theres an eternity in damnation at the end of this ride i was booked a seat from birth, im not judging xD

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Foreverhappychan wrote:

And the slaughter continues.

I wonder if other ARPG developers are popping champagne over this... especially given Blizzard aggressively poached talent for D4.

PS just gave Blizzard 50 USD to beta play a game I beta played two decades ago. Don't judge me. That's my job, and I'm far better at it than you are. :)

Ready and waiting. No judgement here.