3.24.2 Patch Notes

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MLGonthorian wrote:

How are these people asking for mf & party play to be removed real? Is this something a streamer is pushing or something? What level-headed person would want to remove something actually good from the game? No one answered previously when I asked.

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natural183 wrote:

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MLGonthorian wrote:

How are these people asking for mf & party play to be removed real? Is this something a streamer is pushing or something? What level-headed person would want to remove something actually good from the game? No one answered previously when I asked.

Party play with aurabots and such oversimplifies gameplay compared to the struggles of a solo player who has to build dmg and defence simultaneously. Problem became more noticeable with the introduction of T17 maps.

For this simplified gameplay - only follow each other around, no need to dodge anything, no need to worry about HH buffs and such - they get bonus that goes far beyond something that would just make party coordination worthwhile. They get insane multiplier that, when combined with something that can be abused, leads to profits that leaves solo players far behind. If 6-party are real people, they also loot faster than solo MF player. If it's multiboxing, cheater just reaps the profits alone, having advantage just because of having spare PC and twink setup.

I've heard many people saying things like "but man I played with 2 friends and we didn't shower in mirrors at all". Economy is wrecked not buy average joes who managed to fit a Ventor's Gamble in their build or just play with aurabot friend. When it's done _effectively_ , using the current best abuse strategy, dedicated traders (who are often bots btw), you have MASSIVE disparity between someone who is solo, MF or not, and party play.

To make things worse, these teams are more likely to be a group of nolifers, while solo players are more likely to be people with jobs. So you have parties who kill monsters all day, trading it all via trader or bot, doing that much more effectively than solo player, have loot multipliers (not additive with map/gear quant, multiplicative!) on top of that - and they affect all the economy and prices for people who just come to play after job. This is not fair.

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Valsacar wrote:

And then those people have to split everything with 5 or more players. They don't really make any more than a solo person with equal skill set and time can do.

What you are complaining about isn't MF or party play, but people that are better than you and have more time to play.

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natural183 wrote:

Also pls stop propagating stupid things that people like PathofMatth said years ago, like "groups generate uniques for everyone" and such. Playerbase is more than half a million players now, not 10k, there will be enough uniques dropped for everybody even if party play is completely removed.

If anything, many people are qutting because things like HH is 9div, while at 200 div it would be an interesting chase goal, and this is only one example.

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Valsacar wrote:

So, it's your statement that these groups are not generating tons of global drop uniques. But at the same time, people are quitting because there's plenty of global drop uniques for everyone and the problem is party play. Pick a stance there, you can't have both.

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Valsacar wrote:

If there's no skill involved in party play, why aren't you doing it?

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Valsacar wrote:

And then those people have to split everything with 5 or more players. They don't really make any more than a solo person with equal skill set and time can do.

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Valsacar wrote:

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natural183 wrote:

Price of things like HH drop when there are plenty of them for everyone to have, like we have right now.

Price of things also drop when nobody buys them anymore.

All the party farmers/nolifers already have them (multiple of them) and all the casuals who would have buy them after working hard to get some currency in this "dried out of rewards before t17's" environment already left the league.

Steamcharts fact: actual player population average is around 33k. This represent 18% from the 187k peak at start, less than four weeks ago...
An 82% decrease in less than a month should speak volumes if there is anybody left to hear.

The feeling of being left behind, denied new discovered strategies by mid-league nerfs and the fact that old, simple, effective strategies like alch and go no longer works, were too overwhelming. But they were nerfing exploits u say? Ok then, if those were exploits why no consequence to the exploiters, or no compensations to the exploited?

I cant even start on the over-complicated, time consuming, charts/diagrams/horoscops consulting necessary to a somewhat succesful corpse craft process. Not to mention also the artificialy created stash starvation by the abundance of non-stackable corpses. Those spectres from previous league were like picking rare flowers compared to them.
And guess what is the weekend offer now: stashes.

Just my two cents. (or ten?)

As an afterthought, I wonder why we dont get anymore statistics about how many players completed how many challenges, or ascendancies played, or even how many players completed a t17 map (just solo, no party play or carry).

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DotanIchiban wrote:

please remove mf gear from the game , thank you