A plee to tone down the nudity

If you're offended by nudity but not by the slaughter of every living creature in sight, you need a priority check.

If you're offended by something portrayed in a grim fantasy video game, go play one that isn't meant to be grim and disturbing. The people that play this game like it, and GGG knows we like it, just like we liked it in Diablo 1/2

Well.. If I was the author... I'd do marauder as troll, duelist would remain. Ranger I think would be a dryad, a wooden one. I'd do the shadow like a real shade. The witch would absolutely be an old wretched hag and the templar would remain, I think..


But I'm not, it's gggs game and I do agree, it is good enough models. And they're not insulting or whatever.



I'm sorry to fire up a gender debate here. But firstly I can't reply to a multifaceted discussion in a onedimensional way. One argument leads to another.

Simply put, others should've left this subject instead of replying negativly. I know I didn't reply because it's an infected debate.

Once started, people who feel they can bash on without confronting rebuttals to such a controversy needs to be mistaken.
I'm not that sensitive to the chained women decorating the globes, but I am to people thinking this is trivial as it's complicated, delicate and deserves serious contemplation.

Errm i really don't see how sexuality which kinda influences every kind of human interaction is necesarily connected to surpression and chaos and war and so on...

The male dominance comes from our tendency to solve problems with violence whihc is, unfortunately, still the one big way of ruling the world (American military expenses are 4th the amutn of those of russia and china combined).
And america does rule the world in a way won't expand on that here.

Now why are men more prone to vilence? Because on a physical level we are just better at it.
But that never ment that we only subdue women with violence... we really don't necessarily do that...

Sure emanzipation was important if u think about it, giving women equal chances and LET THEM VOTE, absolutely needed.

Thing is: There are still more men in charge, one of the biggest thing for a straight man is having sex with women who attract him. So as long as men in charge of any form of art or even most stupid depiction, there will be sort of nude women involved. It is really hard to avoid, and why a void it? From my experience a woman with a solid selfeesteem thrives in an environment with male attention! And a woman with a good selfesteem can fend for herselfe if things get too touchy for her taste. And i never have seen one hit or denounced for it from any man i know.

These things have a tendency to work out and rather well since we cut the stupidity of locking our whifes up at home ad those sort of things.

And besides, as strange that will sound to you: To get laid by a girl who considers herself a decent catch, being macho helps a lot, they like some display of strenght and domination, and contrary it absolutely doesn't work to be like a male female rights lawyer or anything.

Now you could say that this is sexist and it is not nice etc pp, but in times of controlled intercourse, having sex really hurts none, neither men (surprise xD) nor women...we only have to drop the "bitch" predjudice because those are really stupid and counterproductive if you rightly consider getting laid an important factor in male life.

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Deafjester wrote:

I'm sorry to fire up a gender debate here.

I'm slightly less sorry that your doing so has designated this thread as off-topic. It has been moved from the suggestions board because it is not proposing any suggestions for the game itself. If you disagree, I suggest you make another post focusing on your point in the context of a suggestion for the game.

At any rate, please feel free to continue the debate! ^_^

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

At any rate, please feel free to continue the debate! ^_^

...but only in a civil manner, without the insults and personal slams that have popped up even after a dev and moderators warned about them.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

At any rate, please feel free to continue the debate! ^_^

...but only in a civil manner, without the insults and personal slams that have popped up even after a dev and moderators warned about them.

Aye, well, that's sort of what a debate is to me -- a civil disagreement or discussion with at least some intention of a worthwhile outcome for all involved -- but I shan't make a...debate of that here. :)

Carry on, folks.

keep the nudity :)

come on seriously, killing isn't a problem but a few boobs are??

anybody remembers stripers from Duke Nukem???...and people were protesting to take them out too, but luckily they've kept them in game, so yeah - if there's blood and killing there can be boobs too

ps. i'm a girl (and not a lesbian) and I'm all for boobs in games :P

Well then I think it would be fun to see "A plee to tone up the nudity" moved to Off topic as well and re-open it.

Though it may have been flame material too, the topic itself was not rude. I don't think it was really made for mockery.

It's pretty common "meme" nowadays on internet forums, to create such "mirror" topics, I think this trend came from Reddit. :)

Good move. That helps. Thank you for your omninousness Charan.


Firstly I'd like to say that sexuality is very much what we're doing around here.
So it pretty much connects to everything.
Ever been jelous? Well, the warlords certainly have, they started and keeps starting all sorts of shit over that. And so do teens.

Secondly, you don't rule with might, you rule with ideas.
Current idea: Capitalism
Objective: Peace

Thing with trade is that we recognize it's more prosperous with peace once we can benefit from each other.
War is terribly expensive and it's dangerous. It's cheap enough while you're conquering, but once the enemy knocks on your door, the cost racks up accordingly.
Nowadays it's alot about public opinion, it's been that way for almost a century and with the internet, it's simply not feasable to fight unpopular wars.
All kinds of inconviniences might happen, your partner in trade might just stop trading with you for instance. I know I avoid U.S products since the ninetys and I'm not even against them anymore, I just don't like them. I rather buy from someone else. Now imagine countrys do these kinda thing.
As a country, you don't want to be impopular, politically it's bad and likewise economically.

The great forces in the world, don't fight wars they gonna lose. Noone does, willingly. If they risk getting hit by something, they don't fight.
China is moving and has been moving economically while U.S been conquering.
But you can't really capture countrys anymore, that's why they plant their puppets, which is unstable. Saddam was such a puppet, in iraq. Didn't work out, never does.
You gotta do genocide to conquer a country and that's political suicide. Besides you're not gonna have anything left to own because you need to populate it, which will take alot of time and effort. Look at israel and their effort on colonizing gaza, they've been doing that for decades and it's still not stable. Now that's against weakling palestine. Imagine russia trying that against pakistan.
It was smart of china to go for the money, but their autocratical goverment hampers their technological progress. And political growth not to say the least. That's why they buy an american drone from iran, because they're behind technologically. Which is always the case if you have inhumane regulations. Even though they have size or numbers, it's mostly about precision, everyones pretty smart, they just gotta get the chance to work with science and think their own thoughts.
There's alot of voicing in china for a more open and free society, it will be interesting to see how they will develop their goverment. They have many beneficial sides and I'm a sectret admirer of their structure, even though I'm a borderline anarcho-socialist myself.


Men don't subdue women, it's the other way around. Men love women and are happily seduced by womanly charms. It's recognized as the utmost cowardice to strike a woman in male society and rape is absolutely frowned upon.
Because we have this reverance for the female body and mind we, as you wrote, tend to illustrate her everywhere, as we adore her so much.
Women are less interested in male bodys, even though it's interesting, they don't share male fixation.(Some certainly do!)


One aspect to the liberalization of women are an economical one. It's plainly too expensive to have half the population at home.
It's the same argument as to why it's impossible to keep slaves. Free persons who work for their own benefit, work harder, better and smarter.
Slaves are rather lazy, since they have nothing to look forward to. You can't beat your slaves, cause then they can't work. And you can't kill them, because then your bodycount will rack up and you gotta do something about the bodys, which is filthy buisness, loathed everywhere by everyone who's afraid their heads gonna be next in line. And that's besides the point that dead slaves still don't work. If you kill your slaves, you will inevitably have to tighten your security as an uprising is always brewing. If you tend for them, you can have friendship and good care, but it's not gonna be as profitable as if they were working for themselves.


It doesn't sound strange to me that women are attracted by a dominating male, it's simple nature. Males are attracted to dominating females, we just dominate differently, because we are, different.

Then there are fetish ofcourse. If there is such a thing as a normal sexuality, that would be the male seeking dominance and the female acting submissive. That's normal sex for you. Additionally this is inherent with the genitalia itself, the male "spear" which is controlled by, you guessed it, the male. Forming an unequal power situation just by it's structure, not by male muscles. Lets simply not delve further into it.


If you think I'm doing this to get gals you're dead wrong, this is about everyone. Besides, writing on the net is hardly the way to pick someone up, better to go out and be male or whatever.
And if you absurdly enough believe I do this for fame, I assure you I'd rather keep my flapping mouth shut and my eyes closed as that's way safer than writing practically just about anything that's even remotely controversial. These things needs to be said, much like everything else. I rather be a gardener than some kinda scribe or analytiscist or whatever and I very much like to stay anonymous, if that's gonna be possible with the future pushing on towards a more secure and transparent net.
Fame is stupid and so is money.
'Patience is the key to joy -smart oriental guy' So patience is concrete hard earnings, if you want something real.
And no, I don't believe I'm writing anything noone else been thinking or saying, I'm just expressing myself. Not everyone believes they're the smartassest guy in the interverse. Even though I got my bright moments LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!


I do see your@JohnnyKatze point in being a careless strong male interested in the more 'actual' parts of life, namely sex, is something a female likes.
That's something a male likes too, humans like that sorta thing. Even though we're different from each other, we share more than we lack in between us.


You say it yourself@JohnnyKatze, degrading someone will not be a productive path to having sex!
Because we are on the same side!
It's such a common misconception that a feminist is someone who is completly obstinate and unaware of the world.
Like someone who wants equal rights is someone who loathes sex or wants conformitistical views from all genders or even erase the genders and replace them with a unisex hemafrodite.
It's completly ludicrous and derailing when feminists need to defend themselves against ridiculous arguments.


Truth is we all want peace. You can be a strong male in that scenario, that's actually why women seek strength, for protection and ultimately peace.
We all want to feel safe.
Only immature and/or stupid girls spur males to fight as it defeats their safety interest. Even though they are certainly interested in a males capacity to fight well, as they mature it's very probable they start to value other, more prosperous aspects of male company. Since those aspects generate true safety and not real danger as in overly aggressive males.


If you suppress ANYONE, then they will ALWAYS be a bother! It doesn't matter where this suppression comes from or how it is materialized, it will be eternally defied and the struggle will NEVER end!


Pascifism is a superior choice, actually the only reasonable one. Fighting is too dangerous and needless. It's better to surrender and live to fight the political battle another day.
Force of might is stupid and one of the main reasons democracies develop much faster than autocracies. Freedom of speech and thought equals creative prosperity which basically leads to faster innovations leading to faster economical growth.

There is no point to fight but to defend yourself. This defense might be capturing resources you deem necessary for the future, it might include preemptive attacks, securing political stability. This is also true everywhere in nature, predators eat animals to grow since it's a niche to get food, which is defensive growth.
Simply put, there is no reason for aggression, at all, but defensive ones. It's always about survival.
But mostly people believe it's about power and aggression, and it is, because those leads to safety. However that analogy is false, in actuality, you never want aggression, since it will make people defend and when we defend, we become dangerous, upheaving the safety gained.

We're smarter than fighting amongst ourselves. Everyone understands it's far too dangerous. And since it is, it defeats the purpose of aggression, since that's defensive in it's core. Making things more dangerous by aggression is not adding up in this modern world, many make this deduction and many simply want out from wars.
It's also about the real nightmares of killing someone. You might make up lies about doing the right thing, in the name of your god, or for political justice. But when you pull the trigger and see that cap go down, you know that was a father much like yourself and the rest is just bullshit. You know that father had sons and daughters who will grieve, you know nightmares will keep coming back. And once you killed 10 people, you gonna be numb with painful angst. Probably way sooner than that.
I sincerly pity the slayers. And I respect military position and recognize what the military is within society. I'm not an idealistic fool, at least not to an outrageous extent.

Consequently, you are also responsible for the state the world resides in. Upholding needless sexist structures will hamper development of methods to solve our common problems. You might argue you don't care about the others, but we're all standing on eachother, our tradesystem works like that, our finite planetarian resources also.
Because really, fuck you too, I don't care for a shithead like you. Thing is I simply got no choice, since you live here and so do I and there's no other suitable space for me to occupy, so I gotta live with your idioms and deliriums just as much as you gotta live with mine.
That's why we just have to make ourselves comfortable trying to reach agreement rather than conflict. Because controversies will just never end.



Now if you suppress your people, you will have endless troubles since they gonna seek to defend themselves endlessly, keeping you, the suppressor in need of defense. Same thing with capitalism, since you need to defend against all the other companies, you're always dangerous to everyone else.
This harms the economy and hampers creative thought. While we could share freely and move towards utopia, instead the few seek to contain the riches, crystallize them into tiny pearls only for few to enjoy. Recently the music industry sued some sharer for more money than there are currently in the system, for profits they projected they would be entitled to if songs been listened to that extent. The absurdity is endless.

And no shit about concurrence, competition is fun and spurring, getting crushed, losing everything, being unable to open buisness due to lack of currency, complex regulations to limit unfair buisness hit small entreprenuers, bureaucrazy growing rampant, corruption at the same pace, being tricked etc IS NOT GOOD FOR ECONOMY! And economy is actually common wealth, just to be clear.
Another misconception is that without currency peoples gonna stop doing anything. That's a complete fallacy. I'm up here, writing this shit in the middle of the night, I get no pay and I'm sure I'm gonna get shat on by some freak who don't understand anything about anything but still feel the need to try and retardize my argument without representing it's own and not understanding mine to begin with, then this next ones gonna come along and the story will continue. And its not even that, my amount of spectators is what, 5-10 people!? But I'm writing this for myself, just to do it and since I started I want to finish.
Now lets make it more concrete, the power goes down in your city. How much effort will YOU put in to make it work again? You think you're gonna go looting then? What about your mother then, or your friend, or your wife, or the town you grew up in, how about the game you're enjoying??
There will be technicians to solve these issues and when there is a bridge that needs to be built, people will gather for that, because it's in everyones interest and it's interesting in itself to perform tasks like that.
Money don't build bridges, people do.

The few makes the mistake becoming dangerous to practically everyone else. Hopefully noone will get harmed, as that's always unecessary. But once the masses realizes we can't actually ethically keep patents on medical supplies since that shit kills people and we can't keep patents on technical equipment since that hampers anyone with production capacity. Besides, everyone who can produce will do so, regardless of laws. In china they just copy everyting, apple storeowners who believe they work for apple while in reality it's just someone else.
Regulations and rules does not work if they're not adhered.
Internet music, movies, books is prime examples of ignored laws where these laws simply does not function. Media and literature is also examples of things we all should share.

Once the masses realize that it's all actually about public opinion, a new kind of democracy will rise.
A revolution.
Sure that's a stupid thing to write, but it's going down.

A couple of weeks ago a 9 year old girl from scotland had a blog complaining about local school food. This annoyed the principle and staff who banned photography in the dining room. Quickly the girl amassed a great public opinion forcing the school to back away from it's policy. In addition, from the wave of opinion, the girl raised around 40000 pounds to charity for kids who starve.
That's an example of reached concensus and a 9 year old with actual political power.
Expect to see more examples of people acting against depicted atrocitys.
Now, would you hit this girl with a stick of bruteness?
No.

You don't control the world with force, you control it with ideas.
Our ideas, together.
Because the only just and rightful leaders can only be everyone.
Ofcourse we all need advisors, we need politicians willing to make difficult decisions. Because we can't all be involved in everything all the time everywhere. But we all still have mandate and real power. The communication enables it.
That mandate needs to be expressed formally and our toyful social medias needs to be reformed into something suitably usuable.



It's very much about freedom and it's very much about everyone and it's very much about being open and it's very much interconnected.
One issue can't be simplified and isolated from another that easily.

So that's what I think is up with feminism. Large issue, important. It's the point where we can clearly see the disparity amongst us.
This disparity is wasteful and caused by greed, fear and confusion. It's not "the order of things". We make the rules, together.

Additionally, stop being an asshat on the net, it's like shitting on your own lawn.

What nudity??