Why POE2 is dying

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Azimuthus#1135 wrote:

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Interestingly, you are strongly suggesting business should not exist solely for profit,pursuing profit will only end up with bad products, while at the same time, believe Tencent is behind the failure without any evidence.


All businesses exist solely for profit. Success is not exclusive from the pursuing of profit. Always remember that.

Always remember that most successful games are made with "Lets make an excellent game" goal. Mediocre and bad games are made with "let's make a lot of money" goal first. Recent outstanding examples: Baldurs Gate 3 and two last Zeldas.

You mistaken greed with profit. The previous two posts also made the same mistakes. Greed is what most customers have problems with - including me. But profiting and greed should not be confused as one. This is a pretty common misunderstanding with people who see things in a shallow bad and good. Perhaps think for a moment before replying might help.

You, like some people here, seems to think profit = no quality and its bad. When in reality a few things can exist at the same time. Profit in mind, quality in making, and set up reasonable customers expectation.


Both Baldur gate 3 and Zelda are made with profit in mind, at the same time, a quality product. These factors are not exclusive from each others.

Then again, to expect logical conversation is hard because of this inability to get away from the narrative profit = bad. Calling these kind of thinking childish isn't harsh. And this seem to be the third attempts to get away from the original post - racism. No one want to address the fact the original post highlight the Chinese. Not Tencent. You might want to remember that, always.

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

You, like some people here, seems to think profit = no quality and its bad. When in reality a few things can exist at the same time.

In reality, quality and long-term profit usually go together.

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Vinsdvalh#0247 wrote:

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

All businesses exist solely for profit. Success is not exclusive from the pursuing of profit. Always remember that.

In the business of Art, I'd say the passion should come before the pursuing of profit.
It's a field where not all businesses exist solely for profit.
And many conclude that the biggest downfalls in video game industry came after focusing too much on the profit rather than the passion.

The focus on profit part is frequently credited to greedy investors who don't care about video games and art in general but want X amount of money back on their initial investment. They will never look involved in the process of making a game, because they have investments everywhere and they only care about the results.

That being said, nobody knows Tencent's expectations with GGG, maybe they are satisfied maybe they want more. Maybe they yell in GGG ears every minutes, maybe they don't care and will sell at first setback, all is speculations.

You first statement is not about business. You are talking about interest and having pride in one's work. Do not be confused. And do not confuse greed - which you are against, with business, a practice solely exist for profit. How you run the business is entirely up to you.

To put it simple, the moment you do not run a business with profit in mind, it is called a non-profit organization, and to some degree, a charity.

You can run a honest business which only exist for profiting while having pride in it. Interestingly, this company's game forum seems to attract group that only does binary thinking.

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Suchka_777#4336 wrote:

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

You, like some people here, seems to think profit = no quality and its bad. When in reality a few things can exist at the same time.

In reality, quality and long-term profit usually go together.

I failed to see how your reply is related to racism and the suggestion brought forward by the previous posts which suggest the sole purpose to profit is bad.

You can create quality product with short term goal in mind. The opposite can be true too, you can create rubbish for short term goals.

"Usually" is not a correlation. It is a variable. That is reality.

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Both Baldur gate 3 and Zelda are made with profit in mind, at the same time, a quality product. These factors are not exclusive from each others.

Then again, to expect logical conversation is hard because of this inability to get away from the narrative profit = bad. Calling these kind of thinking childish isn't harsh.

It seems you can't get the idea that games made with the only and first goal just to grab money are always (or almost always) bad. First goal should always be GAME first and profit - something that comes after. Only in this variant you can get both.

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Both Baldur gate 3 and Zelda are made with profit in mind

Ofc devs plan their finances. But in these 2 cases making a good game was the goal - not! the money. If this doesn't fit into you "logic", go read Larian director interviews. For him all the money they get is just a tool to make still better (next) games. This is how they keep making games since the very start. Goal: make a good game. Earned smth? Good - more resources to make still better next game.

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Azimuthus#1135 wrote:

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Both Baldur gate 3 and Zelda are made with profit in mind, at the same time, a quality product. These factors are not exclusive from each others.

Then again, to expect logical conversation is hard because of this inability to get away from the narrative profit = bad. Calling these kind of thinking childish isn't harsh.

It seems you can't get the idea that games made with the only and first goal just to grab money are always (or almost always) are bad. First goal should always be GAME first and profit - after. Only in this variant you can get both.

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Both Baldur gate 3 and Zelda are made with profit in mind

Ofc devs plan their finances. But in these 2 cases making a good game was the goal - not! the money.

You failed to realize the fallacy in your proclamation. That is not correlation. And of course your two examples shows how little you understood the irony in your proclamation....

Let me make it simple for you to understand. Let's make something profitable. Let's make sure it is good enough to be profitable.

Does it twist your groin that these two can be of different orders?

And of course you failed to address the racism. Remember that always. Are you going to address the racism?

Repeated error.

Repeated error

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And of course your two examples shows how little you understood the irony in your proclamation....

Go read Swen Vincke interviews. He will correct your distorted understanding .)