Why dedicate my time if I can lose all my XP with a death penalty?

Also the 1 portal per map I think is the root of this issue! Remove that and that will take care of XP loss and items loss.
I wonder where else I heard of situations where you invest something and then you lose all the investments and feel like time was wasted ?
Oh yeah ... SCAMS !.. PoE2 endgame feels like and is a scam.

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PhillipBurns#5461 wrote:

Here is the approximate formula for reaching level 100 in PoE1 and assuming it's the same for PoE2.

In PoE1 it takes on average 500 hours of gameplay to reach max level without dying.

A league last on average 90 days.

Thats roughly 4 1/2 hrs of gameplay a day for 90 days

In PoE2 - if they use the same experience formula & you include these factors; you have a bad design, imo.

Dying involves ;

- lost waystone/map
- lost content/juice
- lost currency/items unlooted
- lost exp
- lost time investment of all the above


Dying gains ;

- potential knowledge of why you failed
- potential to improve character


If you don't have a level 100, please don't comment. If you dont care about reaching level 100, don't comment. If you do have a level 100 from the leagues, please explain how you would manage this in a league & describe your time situation, as I don't think the average person even has a chance at reaching those play time #'s. I would love the perspective of someone who reaches level 100 every league while sharing the situation in their lives that allow for such playtime.

I assume they have a lot more 'free' time than most, or maybe they're streaming the game as they play for income, maybe they live with their parents, maybe they're working from home but actually gaming, I honestly don't know. Would love some perspective.

No idea where u get these numbers and i do know that i didnt spend 500 hours on any of my lvl 100 poe 1 chars. Just for ur information the world record is 31 min 39 sec fastest lvl 1-100 abusing party play and some broken strats in Necropolis league. Besides there are many ways to get to 100 fast in poe 1 even as a solo player (cowards trial,5 ways,chayula breachstones etc.) but party is always the fastest and im sure there will be some similar content in poe 2 once it releases.

- lost waystone/map ??? honestly if u die too often to sustain ur maps at this lvl then yeah ur build sucks and ur atlas tree is setup wrong.
- lost content/juice . Well this is probably gonna change at some point in some way but honestly i dont think i care too much. problem here is people can abuse running the same content over and over by not killing the last rare mob and complete the map
- lost currency/items unlooted. Well if u pick up loot along the way im pretty sure u only lost what the last mob that killed u dropped. Its not like ur entire inventory is gone.
- lost time investment. Well thats on u. If u consider all the loot u gathered before u died a waste of time then u probably should not play arpg's

- potential knowledge of why you failed. Well probably not quite true, but yes in some rare instances u are left with a ???? but thats why we have EA so we can find these issues.
- potential to improve character. This is definitely not true, almost any char can be improved but atm some chars and defence types are just way better than others which will see some changes in the near future, untill then all u have to do is a bit of research and adapt the char, this is unfortunately how it is atm untill it gets patched

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arknath#4740 wrote:

average 500h to get to 100? In a PoE league?
Source: Trust me bro?

I have a 100 in the settlers league. Played solo 99% of the time. I have reached about 250h-ish and was 100 for a long while. I spent at least half that time in hideout and or messing around with the town. Oh and I played as melee, I consider myself a slow player since I cannot play for too too long at a time due to my migraines. Due to the illness I die quite a lot since my concentration is rather "off". Oh, and I am old AF. So there is that xD

Most of my playtime has been normal mapping. I just stayed away from T17s/bosses while levling then when I ding a new level I do all the rippy maps, harder content. It is pretty basic really. Of people actually reaching 100 I bet I am in the lower 25% skill wise and that is not counting all those getting boosted by services(which I never do).

Also have 2 100s in other leagues(I dunno why it is relevant but you asked for it) but by now I bet you don't really care to read what others say.

Snarky way to start the conversation, but okay - I'll try to match that energy I guess,

Sources as I said in an earlier post;

Personal experience, years of playing, years of playing with people who hit 100 regularly & Google search engine - also keep in mind I said approximate; if you can hold a thought that long, anyways;

The XP of Level 100 is 4,250,334,444. You need 300+ maps just to get from 99 to 100. When we are going 100 million XP/hour at level 99, it takes about 42.5 hours.

It took you less than 250 hours of play time to reach 100? That still equates to almost 3 hours a day for 90 days if you're being genuine about it.

Do you work? Do you have other priorities or is 3 hours a day on a video game just something that fits your situation?

The relevancy is clearly implied - what allows someone to achieve something that on average takes more time than most players will even have to commit to it in a league?

Thanks for your feedback

Thanks for replying,

Edit: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Experience#Experience_table

Unfortunately that math is very off. I did lvl 99 -> 100 average about 20m xp/h in SSF. It definitely wasn't 42 hours. Maybe 10. You will never ever get 100m xp/h at level 99, maybe if you do something insane like party play legion 5 way carries.

I believe the issue is you've equated 4,250,334,444 as the xp between 99 and 100. But that's the xp between 0 and 100. The xp between 99 and 100 is only about 250m.

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

No idea where u get these numbers and i do know that i didnt spend 500 hours on any of my lvl 100 poe 1 chars. Just for ur information the world record is 31 min 39 sec fastest lvl 1-100 abusing party play and some broken strats in Necropolis league. Besides there are many ways to get to 100 fast in poe 1 even as a solo player (cowards trial,5 ways,chayula breachstones etc.) but party is always the fastest and im sure there will be some similar content in poe 2 once it releases.

Absolutely no one is even considering that fastest level 100 as average and that instance was a massive abuse of party play and took a team of players. No one should ever reference such a silly instance in this case.

These times are literally recorded, the amount of exp it takes to get to 100 is a definitive number. It's not something anyone just made up. You can have approximates based on that information and factor in the % of player base and the % of them who hit 100.

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

- lost waystone/map ??? honestly if u die too often to sustain ur maps at this lvl then yeah ur build sucks and ur atlas tree is setup wrong.
- lost content/juice . Well this is probably gonna change at some point in some way but honestly i dont think i care too much. problem here is people can abuse running the same content over and over by not killing the last rare mob and complete the map
- lost currency/items unlooted. Well if u pick up loot along the way im pretty sure u only lost what the last mob that killed u dropped. Its not like ur entire inventory is gone.
- lost time investment. Well thats on u. If u consider all the loot u gathered before u died a waste of time then u probably should not play arpg's

You literally lose these things in PoE2- it's a fact, not something that just popped into my head. Totally relevant when comparing the loss/gains of a mechanic.

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

- potential knowledge of why you failed. Well probably not quite true, but yes in some rare instances u are left with a ???? but thats why we have EA so we can find these issues.
- potential to improve character. This is definitely not true, almost any char can be improved but atm some chars and defence types are just way better than others which will see some changes in the near future, untill then all u have to do is a bit of research and adapt the char, this is unfortunately how it is atm untill it gets patched

Uhm okay, thanks for agreeing with me on something - the game isn't fully balanced and that's the context of all my post - these things need to be balanced better.

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PhillipBurns#5461 wrote:

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arknath#4740 wrote:

average 500h to get to 100? In a PoE league?
Source: Trust me bro?

I have a 100 in the settlers league. Played solo 99% of the time. I have reached about 250h-ish and was 100 for a long while. I spent at least half that time in hideout and or messing around with the town. Oh and I played as melee, I consider myself a slow player since I cannot play for too too long at a time due to my migraines. Due to the illness I die quite a lot since my concentration is rather "off". Oh, and I am old AF. So there is that xD

Most of my playtime has been normal mapping. I just stayed away from T17s/bosses while levling then when I ding a new level I do all the rippy maps, harder content. It is pretty basic really. Of people actually reaching 100 I bet I am in the lower 25% skill wise and that is not counting all those getting boosted by services(which I never do).

Also have 2 100s in other leagues(I dunno why it is relevant but you asked for it) but by now I bet you don't really care to read what others say.

Snarky way to start the conversation, but okay - I'll try to match that energy I guess,

Sources as I said in an earlier post;

Personal experience, years of playing, years of playing with people who hit 100 regularly & Google search engine - also keep in mind I said approximate; if you can hold a thought that long, anyways;

The XP of Level 100 is 4,250,334,444. You need 300+ maps just to get from 99 to 100. When we are going 100 million XP/hour at level 99, it takes about 42.5 hours.

It took you less than 250 hours of play time to reach 100? That still equates to almost 3 hours a day for 90 days if you're being genuine about it.

Do you work? Do you have other priorities or is 3 hours a day on a video game just something that fits your situation?

The relevancy is clearly implied - what allows someone to achieve something that on average takes more time than most players will even have to commit to it in a league?

Thanks for your feedback

Thanks for replying,

Again the current world record is 31 min 39 sec in Necropolis league and a map is not just a map with a fixed amount of xp. ITS CALLED JUICE and using the tools/mechanics available for more xp gain. Anyway here it is have fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go1hg93_LkM

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AnimePillowCollector#2255 wrote:

Unfortunately that math is very off. I did lvl 99 -> 100 average about 20m xp/h in SSF. It definitely wasn't 42 hours. Maybe 10. You will never ever get 100m xp/h at level 99, maybe if you do something insane like party play legion 5 way carries.

I believe the issue is you've equated 4,250,334,444 as the xp between 99 and 100. But that's the xp between 0 and 100. The xp between 99 and 100 is only about 250m.

That number is using the most efficient leveling methods at level 99 to include party play and the like.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Experience#Experience_table

You went from 99 to 100 in 10 hours of solo play? That sounds a bit sus

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

Again the current world record is 31 min 39 sec in Necropolis league and a map is not just a map with a fixed amount of xp. ITS CALLED JUICE and using the tools/mechanics available for more xp gain. Anyway here it is have fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go1hg93_LkM

Just wow. Great example of how to hit level 100 with a dedicated team. Totally relevant to this forum.

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AnimePillowCollector#2255 wrote:

The xp between 99 and 100 is only about 250m.

Sorry to barge in ( I don't have any meaningful thing to say ) but if the 250m 99-100 is correct on PoE 1 ( which doesn't look right to me even if I never played it ), then I'd be inclined to ask why do I need 2.268.549.086 from 91-92 in PoE 2 ?

Should I open up a new topic and "scream" about it? Haha.

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mrxkon#5764 wrote:

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AnimePillowCollector#2255 wrote:

The xp between 99 and 100 is only about 250m.

Sorry to barge in ( I don't have any meaningful thing to say ) but if the 250m 99-100 is correct on PoE 1 ( which doesn't look right to me even if I never played it ), then I'd be inclined to ask why do I need 2.268.549.086 from 91-92 in PoE 2 ?

Should I open up a new topic and "scream" about it? Haha.

You dont need 2.268.549.086 from 91-92, u need a total of 2.268.549.086 counting from lvl 1. For ur information im currently lvl 91 on my second char which is a Titan and have 80% xp towards 92 and the missing 20% is just around 33.000.000 give or take a few 100k which equivalent to about 165.000.000 xp from 91-92