Unpopular Opinion: League Challenges Should Require Solo Completion

^no.....no you don't need that.

You need SOME of that for SOME content. More for pinnacle content.

99% of challenges are NOT pinnacle content that requires any of that crap.


And guess what? These are CHALLENGES!!! They should push builds to their limit anyway. The MORE required out of you the player to earn the challenge, the better designed it is. Except mindless grind challenge that only tests your time.


And most of what you said you actually have needed on builds for like...7 years now.

"

robert2003#7731 wrote:

Damn i see you so much on global i didnt think you would have such an L take, i mean have you considered how much more stuff is required every league to survive? What do you mean by scuffed builds?
You need armor or evasion
you need high health pool
Then you need 2nd layer of block or suppres or best both
Heavily overcapped resistances because of debuffs
at least 85% max res
you need some sort of sustain so either leech or regen
Reduced curse effect/curse immunity
ailment immunity
bleed immunity
poison immunity
Source of crit damage taken reduction
over time you need to fit more stuff into builds without getting that many more slots, you could have said about people having scuffed builds before archnemesis when you could run t16 towers with barely capped resistances and 2500 health on a ranger

Honestly, I’m not sure who or what you’re talking about, but you’re taking the L here. There’s almost no difference between Archnemesis league and now, just some new content that got added or changed over time, but nothing that truly made T16, pinnacle, or Uber fights require more checkmarks.

When people say “scuffed builds,” it’s not about missing a checklist of every defensive stat. It’s about having an unbalanced character, one that can’t output decent damage while being reasonably durable. Builds like full ZHP or ZDPS without damage or defense to back it up? That’s just scuffed.

If anything, it’d be more accurate to say T16 was way harder many years ago, with decent gear being much scarcer, 6-links not freely available, far less player power overall and T16 maps definitely not being day 2 free self-sustainable content.

These days, T16 maps mostly just need a solid passive tree, decent gear synergy (which often comes from the random loot you pick up during atlas progression), and a reasonable skill setup. So no, you don’t have to cram more and more into your build, if anything, you can fit less, thanks to all the player power available now.

And with how easy endgame has become, it’s about time to have challenges that are designed around endgame be only achievable upon own completion, not carry runs, and if that's not possible for players despite all the access? Well simple Mark solution: Deal with it.

Aight youre right youre the greatest player, we didnt use to have 3 debuffs on us instead of 12 now, we didnt need to have 10k ehp like we do 150k now, right.

"

robert2003#7731 wrote:

Aight youre right youre the greatest player, we didnt use to have 3 debuffs on us instead of 12 now, we didnt need to have 10k ehp like we do 150k now, right.

More completely meaningless hyperbole lol with no comprehension of the post or criticism.

Clearly no real conversation to be had.

Hyperbole and nonsense doesn't make your argument make any more sense btw. It just makes it far more clear that these past two posts hold no meaning whatsoever.

Bumping this for visibility. Put the challenge back in challenges!

Another bump for visibility!

And up it goes~

Solo completion challenge for 3.27: drop a unique item on the Twilight Strand =]

"

jack_aubrey#0655 wrote:

Solo completion challenge for 3.27: drop a unique item on the Twilight Strand =]

While I know this is a joke, I do want to take it as an example:

It is not the worst idea, don't get me wrong. But its still more "endless grind" challenge that shouldn't exist, period.

Challenges are not normal gameplay. They shouldn't be. They are not "lucky events". They should be specifically designed ways to interact with the game that makes something harder than the BASE game interaction. AKA.....challenging. A "lucky" event, or Oni-Goroshi farming should be strictly in the ACHIEVEMENTS section for lifetime achievement, NOT in a temporary league challenge.

While time is most certainly a challenge when it comes to PoE, it is the absolute lowest possible "challenge" that the game offers.


And before we get back into that argument of "by that logic, gearing/build should preclude challenges because time!".....there is a difference between having to deliberately USE the systems in the game to complete a challenge, and simply having enough available time.

Hell, even something as simple as "Use Faustus to trade for a total of 1000 divines" is a viable CHALLENGE.

"

cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Hell, even something as simple as "Use Faustus to trade for a total of 1000 divines" is a viable CHALLENGE.

Poor ssf players lol